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re: Stop comparing this to 2004 Troy. 2 big differences
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah spears has been close to a bust for the boys. he was in danger of losing his starting spot this year
Close to? Those darn OTs huh..
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:42 am to Lester Earl
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so he is overrated because he wasn't a physical freak?
les
people made him into "the most athletic DE in the country," and he wasn't
they wanted to push this story so much that they thought, at 6-3, he would play center for LSU basketball
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:44 am to cene
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2004 troy or 2008 troy which is better SFP
both are shite
i try not to compare shite to shite
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then you argument is that lsu 08 is much more talented then 04 yet it was 08's more talented team being dominated 75 % of the game.
yup
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so how could you choose 08 over 04 when 04 was only dominated once all season (georgia) and 08 has been dominated nearly every game and just managed to escape with wins.
i'm choosing based on talent, not coaching
our defensive coaching in particular is a disgrace
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
SFP, you are an idiot
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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people made him into "the most athletic DE in the country," and he wasn't
he was athletic though
he wasnt Julius Peppers, but he was a great athlete. And at 6'4, he could have played LSU basketball.
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they wanted to push this story so much that they thought, at 6-3, he would play center for LSU basketball
I dont see how that makes him the most overrated player in LSU modern history. That's a pretty strong, and stupid statement.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm choosing based on talent, not coaching
our defensive coaching in particular is a disgrace
thats like saying i'm taking jarrett lee without the pick 6's
we all know the defensive coaching sucks, but it comes with 08 team.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:48 am to Lester Earl
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he was athletic though
he was ok. nothing special
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And at 6'4, he could have played LSU basketball.
he'd have been listed at 6-4, but how many guys who are listed at 6-4 do you see playing center?
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I dont see how that makes him the most overrated player in LSU modern history.
because people's blind love in spears made them say absolutely ridiculous things about him, like that
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That's a pretty strong, and stupid statement.
well to get to that point of overratedness, you're going to have to look at a guy who is highly regarded
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:48 am to cene
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thats like saying i'm taking jarrett lee without the pick 6's
coaching and talent are 2 different things
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:48 am to kclsufan
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starting safety
(a Thorpe Award finalist and 1st All-American, by the way)
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:53 am to Ace Midnight
(who made his name last year by getting a ton of picks against 2 of the worst starting QBs in D1A, fyi)
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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Stop comparing this to 2004 Troy. 2 big differences
1. 2004 LSU, as a program, was not established like 2008 LSU is. Saban was still building a program and it didn't have the depth to deal with losing 3 key juniors and a bunch of seniors. 2008 does have that depth
2. 2008 Troy DOMINATED LSU FOR 75% OF THE GAME. 2004 Troy kept it close in a sloppy game where we turned it over. at no point did 2008 get dominated by 2004 Troy.
You do a very poor job at arguing your point.
1. Both teams were coming off a National Championship. Both teams have below average QB play. You are splitting hairs to show a difference between the two teams.
2. Troy didn't dominate LSU in the 3rd quarter. Both teams had a TD drive. 2 of Troy's 3 drives did not gain a first down in the 3rd quarter. It's a common event to see you stretch the truth to make a point.
In 2004, LSU wasn't really dominated as you say. But, they also did not dominate at any point. Conversely, this team played poorly for 2 quarters, even for one, and absolutely dominated Troy in the 4th to the tune of 30-0.
The bottom line is this is exactly what people have been saying about this team all along.
Defensively, we are suspect. Coaching has a lot to do with that IMO.
Offensively, this team can be very bad or very, very good based on the play at the QB. When we get good QB play, this team is dominant offensively. The problem is our QB play is sometime not just average, but very very poor. And when that's the case, there is not much you can do about it to get things going.
In other words, nothing has really changed. We knew what we were as a team coming into this game. Moving forward, our success will be based on how good our QB play is. Defensively, it's highly unlikely that we will dominate anyone who is above average.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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coaching and talent are 2 different things
i know the coaching sucks, but that would mean that this team wouldn't of been down 31 - 3 just by talent alone.
you can have all the talent in the world and shitty coaching makes you look bad, you can have the best coach in the world but if you don't have the talent to compete you can't get very far.
you can't compare 04 and 08 talent if you can't compare 04 troy game and 08 troy game.
the coaching was differnet so the utilization of talent was different...no way to compare...you can't just go on their stars because we all know that means nothing
if you want to go on performance...04's defense is outperforming 08's and 08's offense may have a slight edge but sometimes 04 may have had it..so it may seem more of a stalemate..
so without coaching how do you compare?
This post was edited on 11/16/08 at 11:57 am
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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he'd have been listed at 6-4, but how many guys who are listed at 6-4 do you see playing center?
dont think he would have played center. He was a forward. You are just trying to embellish the point you are trying to make.
He was athletic enough to be though of as a 5 star TE coming out of HS. Only to play DE in college.
And i dont know his basketball scholly offers, but they were pretty impressive if i remember correctly.
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well to get to that point of overratedness, you're going to have to look at a guy who is highly regarded
Statistically he had the 2nd or 3rd best season ever for a DE in LSU history in terms of sacks and tackles for loss in 2004.
Aside from the basketball bullshite, he had every reason to be highly regarded.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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he was a 6-3 guy, and there were a bunch of threads back in the day about how LSU basketball would be a better team with him playing center. and then people kept bringing up how he was this great athlete, blach blah blah
I wasn't on the Rant back then - but I don't ever remember any of that nonsense. Spears was a Top 50 Louisiana HS Basketball player (along with his friend and legendary Tiger Michael Clayton). However, in an era where a Guard is short at 6' or 6'1" and a forward is short at 6'4" or 6'5", Spears was projected to play as a TE/DE in football and a PF had he chosen basketball. As it turns out, Robert Royal was probably a better "athlete" and better basketball prospect than Spears. However, as Spears filled out his big frame, he probably lost the speed edge he would have needed to play NCAA basketball. However, in limited action, he could have been a monster of a post player... but certainly not tall enough to play center.
Posted on 11/17/08 at 12:15 pm to Ace Midnight
I agree that most of the comparisons to 2008 and 2004 aren't really there. Troy's scheme and effectiveness defensively against the run however was the same in both games. For those complaining about LSU not being able to run on Troy this year, in 2004 Troy held an LSU team that rushed for 194 yards a game(w/ Andrew Whitworth, Ben Wilkerson, Rudy Niswanger, and Nate Livings on the Oline) to a mere 56 yards on 36 carries.
Posted on 11/17/08 at 12:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:When Saban lays an egg, there's always good excuses for why, but when Miles lays a giant turd, everyone runs around talking about how bad it smells.
Stop comparing this to 2004 Troy. 2 big differences
Posted on 11/17/08 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I used to think you were one of the posters that had a clue. Then I saw that quote.
2004 LSU, as a program, was not established like 2008 LSU is.
Posted on 11/17/08 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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1. 2004 LSU, as a program, was not established like 2008 LSU is. Saban was still building a program and it didn't have the depth to deal with losing 3 key juniors and a bunch of seniors. 2008 does have that depth
This is a terrible argument. We just won the freaking NC the year before in 2003. You're established as a program and have depth if you just won the NC.
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