re: Sporting News: Edward Jim Orgeron Jr. is the 15th best coach in America

Can I interject with a question here? When did this little obsession start with people accusing others of lying?

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He wasn't when he was hired. 

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except he had gone to a program that didn't even have a .500 finish in 11 of 12 previous years and had them winning 7,8,9 games.


miles resume prior to coming to lsu is better than ed orgeron's resume now.

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The way that 2016 was split between the two coaches skews those numbers.


You just don't like the results, but the numbers don't change . I don't see how you can toss out a whole season.

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Well no Roger, I don’t like the results. Not for either coach because they are both pretty unremarkable. Only one of us claims otherwise.


As for tossing out a “whole season”, I’m actually tossing out partial seasons for both coaches, which, yes, does skew the results.


So while the numbers “don’t change”, some people have the intellectual capacity and honesty to look beyond the numbers and actually analyze what the numbers represent.


If wins over three non bowl teams and 7-6 (3-5) Arkansas, all of which had run defenses ranked in the 80s or worse, convinces you that there has been some paradigm shift in our results since the coaching change, “be my guest”.


But even with those wins added in, the “Swamp King” still boats a pretty ordinary 73.5% win percentage since taking over, while Miles was only slightly more mediocre at 65.5% in the stretch that got him fired, using the time frame you selected.


Neither record is anything to write home about, yet here you are, day after day, thread after thread, writing about it. You post over and over insisting that total strangers that don’t subscribe to your opinion on the current coaching staff simply must hate the coach and want their team to fail just to spite him.


It’s an odd and even sad way for a self proclaimed “wanderer” who claims to live in perhaps the most beautiful piece of nature in these United States to spend so much of his time.


Take a walk, get some fresh air, maybe wet a line and cook up some King Salmon while they’re still running.

Or just regurgitate another couple hundred posts on this lovely summer day telling us the sky is green and the grass is blue. Be my guest

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miles resume prior to coming to lsu is better than ed orgeron's resume now.

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no one is arguing otherwise. Both coaches improved when they came to LSU...I am still waiting for anyone of yall to tell me how O's record at Ole Miss has any bearing on his time at LSU

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I am still waiting for anyone of yall to tell me how O's record at Ole Miss has any bearing on his time at LSU

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If you want to have a serious, honest discussion about it, he had some of the same issues then that he has had here with the offense and hiring assistants. I guess one could say that was part of what contributed to his record there. Otherwise, the only relevance his tenure at Ole Miss has now is whether or not he deserved the LSU job in the first place or if he should have had to prove himself at a smaller school first. IMO he's shown he belongs on the P5 level.

Miles had only been a HC for 3 years...hell maybe only 2

My whole point is O isn't finished and could become a great coach. LSU is not Ole Miss. He has done well here, not great. I am hoping like hell he becomes one of our greatest coaches and I wasn't a supporter of him getting the job.

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..I am still waiting for anyone of yall to tell me how O's record at Ole Miss has any bearing on his time at LSU

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maybe ask Rodger since he thinks Miles' pre lsu record matters..

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he had some of the same issues then that he has had here with the offense and hiring assistants.

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All head coaches (or any person in control of a business, team, etc) does this and it will never change. I just think he has much better resources to allow him to be successful at LSU than at Ole Miss in the early 2000's

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the only relevance his tenure at Ole Miss has now is whether or not he deserved the LSU job in the first place

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without his interim record at USC and Ole Miss he never gets the job IMO

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O before he turned 50: 10-25 overall, 3-21 in the SEC. Zero wins against Top 25 teams.

Miles before he turned 50: 21-16 overall, 12-12 in the Big 12. Two wins against Top 5 teams, three wins against Top 25 teams.

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So we both agree they both improved greatly after turning 50?

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So we both agree they both improved greatly after turning 50?

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Their respective improvement was commensurate with the capabilities shown before turning 50.