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re: Spin off Thread: Matt Mauck vs. Matt Flynn
Posted on 7/25/12 at 9:19 am to King Joey
Posted on 7/25/12 at 9:19 am to King Joey
quote:From a championship perspective, yes. Yes he was.
Trent Dilfer was a better NFL QB than Dan Marino.
You and I are football fans. Would you rather your team win championships or have the best QB?
I like Dan Marino and am barely aware of Trent Dilfer, but I know which team it would have been better to have been a fan of.
ETA: Let me ask a different way, Which Drew Brees season do you hold in higher regard, the SB win or the yardage record?
This post was edited on 7/25/12 at 9:49 am
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Posted on 7/25/12 at 9:41 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Legit
huge gap in talent
quote:Don't give a frak.
and stats
Personally, I did not believe at the time that LSU was ever going to win a natty with JR at QB. I don't care if you gave him 15 years of eligibility. He was too dumb. 2006 was a phenomenal year for him, and he got robbed of Heisman consideration, but he was never going to get us there.
Besides, since we are reading stats so hard, LSU lost Bowe and Davis in the same draft Russell went out in. If Flynn had one or both of those guys out there do you think it could have affected his overall stats? JR didn't do it all himself, and neither did Flynn.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 11:43 am to Rickdaddy4188
Flynn with now doubt. The high ankle sprain really limited for most of the year.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 3:32 pm to Enfuego
About the same but, remember, Mauck was older. Flynn was the better QB for his age.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 4:22 pm to RBWilliams8
quote:
I love me some Flynn but I was at the 2001 SECCG and what Mauck did that day shall not be forgotten.
A few qb sneaks?
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:32 am to dukke v
quote:That always did piss me off. Still does when some annoying Hokie brings up that game. Of course, I hear a lot less chirping from Hokies since 2007 . . .
To be fair to LSU ...Va Tech already had a game under their belt. That made a huge difference. They were able to hit someone else and use their gameplan against a real opponent.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:38 am to CajunBandit
quote:Since 85 players at QB would be a disqualification, a National Championship team would be a horrible choice for QB. That's a fairly elementary mistake to make for a "football fan".
Would you rather your team win championships or have the best QB?
(hint: that was sarcasm, since you have clearly missed the fact that this thread is not about which team is better, but rather which QB; so we'll ask an actually relevant question: if you're picking QBs to lead a team playing for your life, would you take A.J. McCarron over Andrew Luck, RGIII, Landry Jones, Matt Barkley AND Tyler Wilson?)
Posted on 7/26/12 at 4:04 am to CajunBandit
quote:
Personally, I did not believe at the time that LSU was ever going to win a natty with JR at QB. I don't care if you gave him 15 years of eligibility. He was too dumb. 2006 was a phenomenal year for him, and he got robbed of Heisman consideration, but he was never going to get us there.
Wow! You're really football dumb , huh? Flynn and Jr both loss two games. FLYNN just got lucky , that for the first and only time in HISTORY, a team with two losses got into the title game. Flynn was avg at best. JR carried the team in 06.
This post was edited on 7/26/12 at 4:06 am
Posted on 7/26/12 at 4:08 am to Rickdaddy4188
JR was far superior in every aspect of qbing than Flynn. Yardage, TDs, ints, qb rating, accuracy. Hence the 1st overall pick and a 7th round pick.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 9:09 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:
Wow! You're really football dumb , huh? Flynn and Jr both loss two games. FLYNN just got lucky , that for the first and only time in HISTORY, a team with two losses got into the title game. Flynn was avg at best. JR carried the team in 06.
The two losses were bc of defense in 2007.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 9:34 am to King Joey
quote:If AJ McCarron were playing for my life I would choose death.
if you're picking QBs to lead a team playing for your life, would you take A.J. McCarron
Like I keep saying, it doesn't happen in a vacuum. JR didn't do 2006 on his own, he had 2 exceptional recievers at his disposal that Flynn did not.
quote:My second post in this thread said I was simply derailing the topic. I'll pull up my own quote for you:
(hint: that was sarcasm, since you have clearly missed the fact that this thread is not about which team is better, but rather which QB
quote:
Besides, my comment was CLEARLY intended to derail this thread. Why on earth would you bite?
Posted on 7/26/12 at 10:01 am to Tommy Patel
quote:
interchangeable if you ask me, both were awesome game managers
LOL
Neither were game managers.
JJ his freshmen year was a game manager.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 10:12 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:I didn't know we were making this personal. Show me your NFL draft selection number.
Wow! You're really football dumb
quote:No, their respective teams both lost 2 games. JR's by a combined 17 points and Flynn's by 8. Let's forget, the two teams the 2007 team lost to both boasted the (at the time) leader in the Heisman hunt. Flynn did not line up against these guys, but he did his part to keep his team in these games until 3OT.
Flynn and Jr both loss two games.
quote:Yeah, every title team gets lucky at some point.
FLYNN just got lucky
quote:Okay, so? I conceded earlier that JR was more talented. JR carried a Sugar Bowl winning team for much of 2006? Did he not have Bowe and Davis beating almost everyone they lined up against? Was Doucet not emerging as a prominent target? Flynn piloted a BCSNC winning team in 2007 and had only Doucet of those three. Or am I too football dumb to see that Byrd and Lafell were as good or better than Bowe and Davis?
Flynn was avg at best. JR carried the team in 06.
I'm simply looking at the product on the field. I looked at it then and liked Flynn--I look at it now and JR isn't even on a field.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 10:28 am to CajunBandit
quote:
Personally, I did not believe at the time that LSU was ever going to win a natty with JR at QB. I don't care if you gave him 15 years of eligibility. He was too dumb. 2006 was a phenomenal year for him, and he got robbed of Heisman consideration, but he was never going to get us there.
WOW. I don't blame JR for the losses in 2006.The FLA had some misques. And The AU game was just A TERRIBLE gameplan. Saying a player is dumb is just wrong dude. If he was as dumb as you think then LSU doesn't win a game in 2006.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 10:29 am to CajunBandit
quote:
-I look at it now and JR isn't even on a field.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 11:12 am to dukke v
quote:Okay, you're right. I should have said that he 'was not smart enough'. The dude had similar physical gifts to Cam Newton. Not as much of the speed and elusiveness, but more of the arm. If he shared similar mental gifts he would be unstoppable even in the NFL.
Saying a player is dumb is just wrong dude. If he was as dumb as you think then LSU doesn't win a game in 2006.
The AU game may have been a terrible gameplan, and LSU got hosed on at least one call, but LSU had the ball at the end of the game. JR threw it to a man who was 7 yards out of the endzone and covered up top. Stared him down, too. He wasn't getting in. That was JR's throw to make, and I would not be saying this if that throw was in the endzone--interception/incomplete or not.
You gave me a headshake for:
quote:From wikipedia:
I look at it now and JR isn't even on a field.
quote:
JaMarcus Trenell Russell (born August 9, 1985) is a former American football quarterback.
He's not. He's not because he couldn't make good decisions for himself personally or professionally.
Don't get me wrong, I am not hating on this guy. JR QB-ed some incredibly successful football at LSU. I genuinely hope he has a fantastic life and finds whatever makes him happiest.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 11:16 am to CajunBandit
quote:
I genuinely hope he has a fantastic life and finds whatever makes him happiest.
As Do I. His choices after LSU have been kinda strange. I will never get that.
quote:
JR threw it to a man who was 7 yards out of the endzone and covered up top. Stared him down, too. He wasn't getting in
Not giving him a pass on this, BUT If the gameplan would have been better, That throw would NOT have been needed. LSU was inside the 50 5 times in the 1st half and came away with ZERO points.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 2:44 pm to CajunBandit
quote:Because personally I have more respect for ignorant people than petty, insecure dicks who try to "get a rise" out of people by baiting them with childish behaviour. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that at least part of your posts were intended to be meaningful.
My second post in this thread said I was simply derailing the topic. I'll pull up my own quote for you:
Posted on 7/26/12 at 2:50 pm to King Joey
Well, I did mean everything I said. I wouldn't have continued arguing my point otherwise. However, when I posted the bit about getting better results than their superior predecessors I knew where it could end up.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 4:29 pm to CajunBandit
I'm not getting into all this, but I don't see how Cam and JR are similar in their play.
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