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re: Sound Off On Jefferson

Posted on 11/23/09 at 8:47 am to
Posted by winnoworelse
Good Ole Louisiana Bayou
Member since Jun 2004
2769 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 8:47 am to
jefferson takes sacks all the time! people killed lee on throwing picks, but jefferson taking sacks is killing us even worse! at least we scored points with lee last year! mark it down....this will not change. if miles just hands the starting job to jefferson without letting others truly compete for this job, we will have at least another 3 losses next year! why should we settle for another 3 loss season? why? he's not that good of a college qb! he has had time. he should be progressing a heck of a lot more than this!
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10463 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 8:50 am to
JJ can win a lot of games for LSU if he gets any assistance from his coaches and teammates. The arse hat reporters who have written he needed to throw the ball into the end zone on the Hail Mary need to watch the play. If he holds the ball a half second longer he would have been flat on his back, he got rocked as it was. The kid is a gamer and played on one healthy leg, the coaches have done a woeful job preparing the entire unit, not just him, and it shows every game. He is winning despite the coaches, give him a frickin' break. Whoever called the QB option to the left that tweaked his ankle should be given the proverbial drug test and the boot.
Posted by ctigersgo
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2008
105 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:00 am to
If a ship is sinking, who gets the blame, the deckhands or the commander in charge?

Jordan Jefferson has the potential to be a national contender if he has the coaching to back him.
Posted by 31commander
Member since Apr 2008
27 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:05 am to
Jeff. and Lee both have falts, but are good raw talent. Crowton doesn't know his arse from a whole in the ground. Neither kid is getting coached. Same mistakes now as September, sacks, poor receiver spotting, no pocket coolness. Obviously Crowton can't coach the QBs any better than he calls plays!!!

By the way, most Div. 1 QB run with heart, JJ just gets sacked and falls down alot when he does run. One reason why LSU has fallen off the elite radar.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10463 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:06 am to
If you notice, the running backs do the same on a large number of carries, it is not on JJ.
Posted by lsugolf1105
BR
Member since Aug 2008
3442 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:07 am to
quote:

The arse hat reporters who have written he needed to throw the ball into the end zone on the Hail Mary need to watch the play


please tell me no one actually reported this.......
Posted by PRIDGENTIGER
TN
Member since Jan 2006
828 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:16 am to
you people just find somthing and never let it die. JJ is the least of our problems. If you cant tell he has improved from game to game you just dont wanna see it. And how the hell is he suppose to see a sack coming from his blind side. I mean the o line got destroyed last night. We have no running game and have rode his arm all year. I say he has done a decent job seeing that he is a true soph. Some of you need to lay off and give him the same benefit you gave other qbs in the past. Lets see. Horrible play calling, no pass protection( ole miss was getting through the line with 3 down dlineman),no running game. Id say he has done great with all this to deal with. Ive said this in every post i have made on this subject.i've got friends from just about every sec team and the only fanbase that thinks he isnt good is the lsu fanbase. It makes me sick.
Posted by 31commander
Member since Apr 2008
27 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:22 am to
I agree its not just JJ. The line was so so at best, but he had 3 and 4 seconds on several plays and holds the ball too long, and doesn't use the pocket (when there is one). He needs to adjust for the poor line performance. They blitzed constantly last Sat. especially in the 4th and we didn't adjust til the very end on the pass to Lafell. I blame Crowton much more than JJ.
Posted by PRIDGENTIGER
TN
Member since Jan 2006
828 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:40 am to
I agree he need to get rid of the ball faster. It kils me that he has no running game, horrible oc,horrinle oline and we have rode his arm all year and with no experience has deliver us to 8 wins. I'd say thats pretty good.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10463 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:51 am to
quote:

I agree its not just JJ. The line was so so at best, but he had 3 and 4 seconds on several plays and holds the ball too long, and doesn't use the pocket (when there is one). He needs to adjust for the poor line performance. They blitzed constantly last Sat. especially in the 4th and we didn't adjust til the very end on the pass to Lafell. I blame Crowton much more than JJ.


I saw Powe put TBH on his back numerous times. People talk about Mount Cody, but Powe had his way the entire game.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:56 am to
quote:

So, you're saying that all the comments about Jefferson are racist and that all black football players at LSU should be immune from negative comments about their play?

I think all the comments are based on what we see on the football field, not on race.

What about all the negative comments concerning Jarrett Lee?.........


You got it wrong, bro. I was responding to another poster saying that the attacks sounded racist. Some are pretty condescending, but I don't like throwing out the big R word so cheaply. I would imagine that the vast majority who critisize JJ are not being racist at all. I still think they sound pretty silly critisizing a Sophomore quarterback operating behind a weak line in a complete clusterfrick of an offense.

Maybe some are racist, but I don't choose to believe that. And racism is not an accusation that I throw around lightly. JJ does plenty worth critisizing. But, objectively, he just isn't as bad as some fans make him out to be. I think he does well considering the circumstances and could really do good things for the team if a cohesive offense is ever put together by the coaching staff.

Posted by tigadog
Gonzales, LA
Member since Jan 2007
48 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:17 pm to
Amen to that... you hit the nail on the head.. but it won't change. so let Les go down with JJ, it'll be a package deal.. they both have one maybe two years left.
Posted by tigadog
Gonzales, LA
Member since Jan 2007
48 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:19 pm to
Yes you are correct! Aka The King, from Tupelo, MS. It may not be with him but it for sure won't be any championships won with Jefferson I'd bet my life on that one.
Posted by Bert Lyons 716
Member since Jan 2006
1528 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

he's not a very smart qb, i'm not saying he's dumb, but football iq isnt there..... just cant take sacks that he does, and did.

but he's young experience could fix this.....

Agreed!
Posted by ianfson1
Houston
Member since Aug 2009
989 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:48 pm to
When's is the last time LSU has gotten more production out of a sophmore quarterback?? JJ ain't the problem by a long damn shot!
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:57 pm to
I think he might be ruined by the coaching staff. He's a lot gutsier than most QBs, and he's got decent running ability, but he's got a lot of drawbacks as well--the worst of which are (1) his tendency to step to the wrong places in the pocket and (2) that it takes so long for him to uncork his outfielder-like throws.

He also doesn't have a lot of game situation awareness, although you sort of have to reserve judgment on this aspect of his game because the coaching instructions have been so absurdly hectic, rushed, and confusing this year.

On the one hand, he seems to be getting thrown under the bus by the coaching staff (the same thing happened to somebody else last year) for things that really aren't his fault. His throws have pretty good accuracy, and our routes and play calls make every pass way harder on the QB than they reasonably should.

On the other hand, his upside appears to be limited, and he really doesn't move or throw or think/react like an upper-tier SEC QB at all.

When LSU gets a new OC, I actually wouldn't mind starting over with a brand new QB--YET AGAIN!--next season. Despite how aggravating it will be to have to do so, I think it might actually be best in the long run. It will take a miracle for a new coach to correct all the bad habits that our QBs have developed under Crowton.
Posted by Tiger1955
Bossier City
Member since Sep 2007
677 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:23 pm to
I don't beliece he is an SEC calibre QB. He'll make a play every now and then, butnot consistently. He will never be able to check off and gewt things right. Takes too many stupid sacks in critical situations.
Posted by Come2Conquer
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
4794 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

He'll make a play every now and then, butnot consistently.


While everyone else on the field doesn't exhibit this problem at all, right? Look, you can shout "field commander", "field general", and "leader of the offense" all you want. That's true. We don't have the type of QB right now that's going to win games for us despite all the problems, even though plenty of fans think we should and even though many "fans" have yet to even voice a decent alternative. But Jefferson deserves no more blame than any other player on this team.
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 3:33 pm
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
80403 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:33 pm to
quote:

JJ is the least of my concerns
Posted by KjunTiga
Death Valley
Member since Oct 2007
482 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:37 pm to
JJ has great natural talent that has not been properly coached to his potential. With the right coaching he could be an great QB.
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