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re: Some LSU Basketball perspective for our program's direction
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:11 am to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:11 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Making the NIT is a positive versus not making it.
There's nothing wrong with the NIT. It's not like LSU is in the CBI.
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We should have much more out of our guards next year if Gray and Hornsby are as good as advertised. Not to mention Malik Morgan coming back from injury and Quarterman having a year under his belt.
Don't know much about Gray & Hornsby. Like Morgan a lot, not real crazy about Quarterman, but he can improve.
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I'm assuming we have Hickey and Martin back, possibly Mickey as well.
Why would they not be back?
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:11 am to Mickey Goldmill
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That's actually a pretty common opinion
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lol
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:15 am to Broski
Trent's knock has always been recruiting. Not fundamentals. He left Stanford bare. He left LSU bare. Johnny Jones is building that talent level back up.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:16 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Please go look at the history behind the UNT program prior to him going there and where he left it. I'm not even gonna dumb down enough to argue with you on that point. I read today that UNT will likely put Johnny Jones into their Athletics Hall of Fame one day.
Who cares what they did before? Its the frickin Sun Belt Conference. A SEC level coach would rise to the top, at least win it once in 11 damn years. Its not like he was in Jonesboro, Arkansas. He was in the suburbs of Dallas with a huge talent pool available to him, as well as more financial resources than most SBC schools. Please, dumb that down for everyone
You are leading us to beleive its ok for teams not to achieve, because their predecessors sucked.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:19 am to Lloyd Christmas
He actually did win it in 2009-2010. It was the first regular season championship in the programs entire history.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:23 am to Lloyd Christmas
He had Tony Mitchell his last few years at UNT too.
But, I know it's the Sunbelt and you'll probably dismiss this, but for most of the years he was at UNT, no one was going to win the conference but Western Kentucky. Back to back sweet 16s a couple of years ago and were head and shoulders ahead of the other teams most years.
But, I know it's the Sunbelt and you'll probably dismiss this, but for most of the years he was at UNT, no one was going to win the conference but Western Kentucky. Back to back sweet 16s a couple of years ago and were head and shoulders ahead of the other teams most years.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:27 am to Mickey Goldmill
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He actually did win it in 2009-2010
He won the West that year at 13-5.
Troy and Middle Tennessee were 13-5 also in the East.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:30 am to Mickey Goldmill
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He actually did win it in 2009-2010. It was the first regular season championship in the programs entire history.
I applaud your enthusiasm for the program, I just don't think there is any evidence that Jones is an NCAA level coach based on what I have seen the past 2 years along with his coaching history. I would be more lenient if he was new to being a head coach, but he is not.
It should be NCAA or bust next year for LSU, but with a spineless AD like Alleva, Jones will probably have plenty more time to make Peach Bowls, I mean NITs. Sadly, we will soon be looking up at Auburn
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 12:32 am
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:34 am to Lloyd Christmas
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NCAA level coach
You don't think he's good enough to coach a college team? Or he's not good enough to consistently be in the tourney?
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we will soon be looking up at Auburn
They hit a home run today.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:34 am to Lloyd Christmas
Johnny Jones will have 4-5 years, as he should, to get this program on very solid footing. I believe he will continue to recruit better and better and the results will follow on the court. We still have serious talent issues, specially at guard, that should be solved next season.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 12:37 am
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:37 am to burdman
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You don't think he's good enough to coach a college team? Or he's not good enough to consistently be in the tourney?
Tourney team. Sorry, I was editing from SEC level coach, but then realized it was a bad comparison. I think Johnny is more of a USL/Tulane level coach. I would pull for him wherever
Guy belongs in the coaching profession, just will never deliver what LSU aspires for
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:43 am to Lloyd Christmas
All good I figured that's what you meant, but I wasn't sure.
I like him too and hope it works out, we will see.
I like him too and hope it works out, we will see.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:43 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Trent's knock has always been recruiting.
That's true but it doesn't make him a coaching genius. Just look at what TCU is doing.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:43 am to Lloyd Christmas
Nevermind, looked like someone corrected you.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 12:45 am
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:44 am to Lloyd Christmas
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Guy belongs in the coaching profession, just will never deliver what LSU aspires for
Based on what exactly? He has only had 2 years at a major school.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:47 am to Broski
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That's true but it doesn't make him a coaching genius. Just look at what TCU is doing.
You're making my point for me if you think Trent sucks at coaching. If that's the case then the only reason he won at Stanford and his first year here was because of the talent.
Brings me back to my point that recruiting is the most important part of college basketball. Johnny is bringing in talent.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:49 am to Mickey Goldmill
Ben Simmons will make everyone happy CJJ can recruit.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:56 am to Mickey Goldmill
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If that's the case then the only reason he won at Stanford and his first year here was because of the talent.
The only reason he won at Stanford was because the Lopez twins lived in his backyard.
As for his first season at LSU, he had a veteran team in a season where the SEC may have been the weakest it had ever been.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 12:58 am
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:00 am to Broski
So the talent won rather than his coaching?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:01 am to Mickey Goldmill
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So the talent won rather than his coaching?
Yes.
Like I said, every now and then you will hit it with recruiting and get players that transcend the team. Trent had that with the Lopez brothers. But even for good recruiters, more often than not, you're going to get talent but they will be raw. That's where coaching comes in.
Whether Johnny can do that or not remains to be seen.
If you can't understand that, then I'm sorry.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 1:03 am
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