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Posted on 5/18/09 at 9:39 am to
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 9:39 am to
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So did Yvette outcoach him in the first game?


That first game does not matter anymore. When it mattered who won, Arizona St. When it mattered, who coached better, Arizona St's coach. I determined this b/c I watched all three games. In both of Sunday's games, when it mattered, Yvette got outcoahced. The team did not seem motivated. She let the LSU fan base down. She only needed to win 1 time on Sunday and could not mangae to do that. She played the same pitcher 2x and could not manage to come up with a win. She got outcoached, plain and simple.
Posted by TigahRag
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 9:41 am to
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No, I give them all the credit. Their coach, outcoached Yvette. He motivated their team to win 3 games in a row. Yvette and LSU, on the other hand, won that first game aganist them and went ahead and packed up the bus to go home. They were a completely different team last night.


absolutely, give tons of credit to ASU .. they played like champs and we rolled over like chumps ..

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It is sad though that you can't win 1 out of 2 games, especically when it's the same pitcher, and I don't care where your playing the damn game at.


and in the 6th and 7th inning, we were having some really good at bats against her in game one .. we were smoking foul balls all over the park and damn near tied the game with a three-run homer that just stayed in the park ... then, in game two the chick shuts us out on 2 hits ?? we looked like a freaking church league team in game two at the plate ..
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 9:42 am to
So you're basically saying LSU should fire coaches who don't win national championships.

You're lucky your employer doesn't hold you to the same standard.
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 9:42 am to
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TigahRag


I'm glad me and you are on the smae page on this one. Yvette really isn't that good of a coach. I don't care what her record is. She has had plenty of time here at LSU. She isn't going to win the N.C, even with the phenom pitcher coming in.
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 9:47 am to
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So you're basically saying LSU should fire coaches who don't win national championships.


Yes that is what I am saying. What is the point of college sports or sports in genearl at any level. It's to WIN! I agree, coaches should be given some time, but Yvette has had 9 years. Guess what, she hasn't proved much. So now, it's time to move on. With Chancellor, I'll give him a few a more years to win, if he doesn't, time to go.

It's the coaches job to win, that is why they are hired. My job does not require me to win N.C. My job is not as important as theirs. But I have a certain of standards that I have to meet, as of right now I am meeting them. When I stop, I should be fired.
This post was edited on 5/18/09 at 9:50 am
Posted by JustSmokin
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 9:49 am to
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It's the coaches job to win, that is why they are hired. My job does not require me to win N.C. My job is not as important as theirs. But I have a certain of standards that I have to meet, as of right now I am meeting them. When I stop, I should be fired.

No coach is hired with the understanding they must win a national championship. Just like you, they have standards. Winning the NC isn't one of them.

Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 9:52 am to
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Winning the NC isn't one of them.


Dude, you are retarded. I am pretty damn sure that when an A.D. hires a coach, they have in their mind, this is that guy/girl who is going to bring us a N.C. When that doesn't happened overtime they get fired. Are you that ok with mediority?
Posted by JustSmokin
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 9:55 am to
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Dude, you are retarded. I am pretty damn sure that when an A.D. hires a coach, they have in their mind, this is that guy/girl who is going to bring us a N.C. When that doesn't happened overtime they get fired. Are you that ok with mediority?


It is you who is retarded. Ever heard of a contract having a clause in it stating they must win an NC? They get a huge bonus for winning an NC, but it is not required.


This post was edited on 5/18/09 at 9:56 am
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 9:58 am to
How many years to you give Johnson to win a basketball NC before you fire him?
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 10:10 am to
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Ever heard of a contract having a clause in it stating they must win an NC?


I am not saying that contracts have those clauses in them. Should they, I say yes, especially for football, basetball, and baseball (men's and woman's). I think that Athletic Departments owe that to the fans who pay big time money to go watch these sports. Fans want to see a winner, not a loser; and not someone who "almost" makes it or underachieves.

I think it would also motivate coaches. It would only make coaches work harder and not become lazy. Just like the clauses in my work contract, it only makes me work harder to meet those demands. I think it would only demand more out of these coaches. It would prevent them from settling for a certain # of wins per. season.

I do not think expecting awesome things out of LSU is retarded. If you are happy with 8 win seasons (Charlie McClendon) then you really are a weak LSU fan.

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How many years to you give Johnson to win a basketball NC before you fire him


At LSU, about 7.
Posted by spslayto
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 10:17 am to
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I don't care what her record is. She has had plenty of time here at LSU. She isn't going to win the N.C, even with the phenom pitcher coming in.


Yvette's already got a 3rd place finish in the WCWS while at LSU, so we'll see what happens with Fico.

A national title in 7 years or else? Wow. Under your standard, we have a bunch of coaches at LSU that need to be released then.
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 10:57 am to
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Under your standard, we have a bunch of coaches at LSU that need to be released then


Yea, it's getting pretty close.
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 11:00 am to
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I do not think expecting awesome things out of LSU is retarded. If you are happy with 8 win seasons (Charlie McClendon) then you really are a weak LSU fan.

seriously? frick you.

Also, so, if one of your companies goals is for you to be the top selling employee, and you can't do it, but you finish 2nd or 3rd alot of times, you should be fired? fricked up logic.
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 11:01 am to
Different rules for his job. He has high expectations for everyone but him.
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 12:46 pm to
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but you finish 2nd or 3rd alot of times, you should be fired? fricked up logic


Ok, since you have a personal issue with me, let's see if I can explain my "F'ed" up logic so your brillant self can understand it.

First off, I am sorry I used a "Charlie McClendon comparison" (I know he is an LSU beloved icon.

I am assuming you like Yvette. So for that matter, let's keep her at LSU. She's a good enough coach to make it to the post season and possibly the WCWS (occasinally) consistently. I'll give you that. But after year 9, to win the Nat. title, my confidence in her is low. Sorry if you can't take that. I on other hand will admit when there's something wrong. After last night, watching LSU lose 2 in a row to a team not much better than them pissed me off. She let the LSU fan base down. She blew a huge opportunity. If you can't see that, then you are the moron, not me. She has had those same opportunities in the past and blew it.

I am taking into account that you are only 23, and you "think" you know everything, but seriously were you taught that mediocre is ok? So I guess in your opinion as long as Yvette doesn't have a losing season, she's good to go in your book. I am damn glad you are not the A.D. at LSU. I'd never expect LSU to win a Nat. Title if you were running the show.
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 12:47 pm to
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I am assuming you like Yvette. So for that matter, let's keep her at LSU.

na, i don't give a shite about softball, your logic just sucks
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 12:48 pm to
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He has high expectations for everyone but him


NO buddy, I acutally go over what is expected of me. I don't have low expectations. You and big-time Josh are the ones arguing that "NEVER" finishing #1 is ok. You are the ones saying being mediocre is fine.
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 12:50 pm to
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I am taking into account that you are only 23, and you "think" you know everything, but seriously were you taught that mediocre is ok? So I guess in your opinion as long as Yvette doesn't have a losing season, she's good to go in your book. I am damn glad you are not the A.D. at LSU. I'd never expect LSU to win a Nat. Title if you were running the show.

Please don't bring age into this, it means little on this site. There are plenty of stupid older fricks that come on here.
It's not about winning the national title every year, its about getting a coach who gives you the best opportunity to win it as much as possible and keep your program on a top tier level. Her team has made it to the world series, and she has had alot of great years since she has been here. You would have fired Bill Cowher too, huh?
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 12:50 pm to
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your logic just sucks


Good explanation. You should become a teacher.
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 5/18/09 at 12:54 pm to
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It's not about winning the national title every year


Never said that.

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its about getting a coach who gives you the best opportunity to win it as much as possible and keep your program on a top tier level


I already told you that she is a good enough coach to be consistant. To win it all NO! Did you even watch the 2 games last night. Last night was not just something that happened. That's the type of coach Yvette is. When it matters, she can't win. She chokes, gets outcoached. Go back and look at her track record.

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You would have fired Bill Cowher too


We aren't talking NFL right now, and no, I would not have fired him.
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