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re: So You Don't Know Why Miles Might Want to Start Jefferson?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:30 am to BeeFense5
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:30 am to BeeFense5
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We fricking beat Bama at Bama! People are complaining about credit.
Why the hell are you even posting on the Rant? What do you expect to be going on here?
The perception on here sometimes is that Lee is just a team player while JJ is a one man victory against Bama. Bothers me that Lee is discounted, as it bothered me when JJ was crucified for the alleged fight.
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Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:30 am to mylsuhat
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but you're telling me JL couldn't get is in field goal range at least once. Which is exactly what JJ did?
From his performance did you have confidence he would get better as the game went on? Be honest.
I am not saying he couldn't have but I certainly wasn't confident with him after the second pick. He just didn't appear to have it. So what does a coach do stay with him hoping he will turn it around or replace him with the back up to try and settle down the offense?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:31 am to Boh
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The quote was "without JJ, we lose to Bama"
Irritating that he gets all the credit for wins, and Lee is just a manager.
Do people credit Lee with wins from last year when he came in for JJ? I'll hang up and listen...
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Lee struggled, obviously, but to think that the offense couldn't have gotten 1 field goal drive with him (deep pass referenced on blown coverage could have easily been Lee) is wrong.
But he didn't get better in the game...you're talking wishful thinking. What we know is that Lee WAS ineffective in that game and when Miles took him out we did not turn the ball over again and won the game.
If people can credit Lee for simply throwing a complete pass toward the end of the BAMA game in 2010 when we were already up, then I think it's logical to credit JJ in some fashion for coming in and getting it done in BAMA in 2011.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:31 am to Powerman
quote:Starting with ad himinem tends to diminish your argument.
Meh. You always come up with these stupid poorly thought out arguments.
quote:So that's good, right? If the o-line breaks down in protection, it's nice when "you can get pretty large gains."
If you're taking off on a pass play in man coverage you can get pretty large gains.
quote:Okay, when you have an extra running threat in the backfield, it puts more pressure on defenses. The defenses will tend to account for a QB who is a running threat. That tends to make the rushing game more effective for the RBs. See Alabama.
If you had a stat that showed what he makes on designed runs then you might have something.
quote:I'm sure that it happens on occasion. But you can make that same general argument for any running play. Any coach will take 6 yards over the possibility of 14 yards. Lots of things can happen when you throw the ball; some of them are bad.
Also what happens if the 6 yard rush takes away a 14 yard completion? Doesn't look so fricking great then does it?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:32 am to ScoopAndScore
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How can you say this when Lee is more apt to throw the devastating INT? Also, how can you say this when you see Lee bail out after nearly every throw?
You know the saying about keeping your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool being better than opening your mouth and removing all doubt? I am pretty sure they are talking about you.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:33 am to LSUzealot
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Before you even respond, I want JLee to be the starter and play 60 to 70% of the snaps. But, Les did the right thing against Bama and if he wanted to reward him with PT vs WKentucky or if Lee was just in the doghouse, whatever it doesn't matter. I trust Les to make the right call....even if JJ starts vs Ole Miss.
I just firmly believe we need JL for Arkansas.
80% JL
20% JJ
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:33 am to mylsuhat
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you're telling me JL couldn't get is in field goal range at least once.
Honestly, I doubt it after Lee's second pick. In OT, we would have ran it 3 times up the middle and settled for a 37 yard FG to win it.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:33 am to just me
Oh, Just Me... congrats to your nephew. Why don't you get him some sort of framed art of his home stadium? Most schools have something like that which looks pretty cool.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:33 am to therick711
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So we are moving the target now.
I don't know who this "we" is. I've been consistent (and consistently correct since 2008.)
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Jefferson's pocket awareness is not a strength.
True, but I don't think it is nearly as bad as some people make it out to be. In fact, his tendency to "tuck and run" was probably a positive in the completely awful offensive system we were subjected to prior to this season.
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You apparently think I am being unfair about the situation in each of my examples, but I am just documenting the great weight of evidence that calls into question his pocket awareness.
No, my point is quite simple. You, like most fans, lack the ability to understand anything other than the actions of the person with the ball in their hands. Your example of the last play against Arkansas lends credence to my opinion. You quickly criticize Jefferson's actions without giving any thought to the alternative actions made available. When a player is placed in a situation that gives him nearly impossible odds of success, is it still right to blame the player?
All I want is an acknowledgement of that fact. Again going to my point that we don't need to maximize big plays, just minimize negative ones.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:34 am to Baloo
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Throwing out the Bama game is a terrible idea because it's perhaps the BEST game to use -- as both QB's got lots of playing time against the same defense.
Lee had 11 snaps. Really? that's A LOT of playing?
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. Throwing that data out because it doesn't fit your preconceived notions is statistical abuse of the highest order.
Let me ask you...is bama's defensive ranking a high leverage point in comparison to the set?
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And Lee's numbers are not an outlier in that game
Did I talk about Lee's numbers being an outlier? Please try to stay on target.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:34 am to LSUzealot
In my honest opinion, Jordan Jefferson is going to start the rest of the season. It may not be something everyone agrees with but if you are expecting JL to get the bulk of the snaps you better be prepared to be disappointed. Just my two cents.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:34 am to Boh
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I haven't heard anyone give JJ all the credit for the bama win.
No, but his name always comes first as reasons we won.
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Because without a doubt we lose that game if JJ isn't around.
Fans will be fans. JJ was a contributing factor to the team in the win over Bama. He made a couple of nice plays. This above statement is without a doubt proof of a confirmation bias though.
When it comes to starting, people should just let it go. We know what may or may not happen and it's been a nice ride for both QB's this year. Let's hope LSU wins the NC, and a new QB era starts next hear with hopefully someone that the fans can get behind, but not worship. Both of these guys have made good plays that have contributed to the success of the team but neither have been pivotal. Let Les play who he wants to play, hope for the W and move on.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:35 am to LSUzealot
quote:I really believe on that second pick that the receiver was supposed to come back to the ball. Looked to me like miscommunication. I could be wrong though.
Honestly, I doubt it after Lee's second pick. In OT, we would have ran it 3 times up the middle and settled for a 37 yard FG to win it.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:35 am to Antonio Moss
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You quickly criticize Jefferson's actions without giving any thought to the alternative actions made available.
I'm not sure I am quick to criticize anyone a year ex post facto.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:35 am to Boh
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The perception on here sometimes is that Lee is just a team player while JJ is a one man victory against Bama. Bothers me that Lee is discounted, as it bothered me when JJ was crucified for the alleged fight.
that's only your perception broPosted on 11/17/11 at 10:35 am to therick711
quote:I am providing a rational argument for why Miles might start Jefferson.
The OP is showing who the most explosive player is.
quote:You realize that Jefferson has a lower interception percentage than Lee since Bama '10, right? That's with a similar number of pass attempts.
We just need a combination that takes care of the ball, plain and simple.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:35 am to Boh
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Apparently Lee was completely incapable of throwing the deep pass to Shep and getting us that field goal. If you don't acknowledge that we won the game because of JJ, you must be kidding yourself
So you think Lee would have flipped the field position late in the 4th quarter when JJ had that scramble for a first? JJ did a more in that game than just 1 completion.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:36 am to mylsuhat
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I just firmly believe we need JL for Arkansas.
80% JL
20% JJ
That ratio looks about right to me. Arkansas' secondary is terrible and I want Lee back there picking it apart. Arkansas only has 17 sacks on the season, near the bottom of the SEC. So, Lee should be able to sit in the pocket with time and sling the ball all over the place. He's the ideal QB to attack the Hogs.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:36 am to BeeFense5
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Why does this bother people so much? WHo cares who gets credit?
I just don't understand this.
We fricking beat Bama at Bama! People are complaining about credit.
Amen! It is fricking mind boggling how so many LSU "fans" can HATE Jordan Jefferson so much. The kid has done everything the coaches have asked of him this year. I almost think some of these idiots would have preferred we lost to Bama rather than JJ come in and lead us to victory. Amazing really.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:37 am to LSUzealot
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that's only your perception bro
This.
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