re: So You Don't Know Why Miles Might Want to Start Jefferson?

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In 2008, Lee was a turnover machine. That is a fact.

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In 2010, JJ was a turnover machine with 10 INTs.

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In 2009, Lee completed 40% of his passes and had a QB rating in double digits. That is a fact.

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As a matter of fact, in 2009, JJ rushed 112 times, gained 415 yds, but lost 244 yds for a net rushing yardage of 171 or 1.5 yards per carry. Not too great for a run-threat QB.

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In 2010, Lee was a way below average SEC QB. That is a fact.

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Still better pass/eff in 2010 than JJ.

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I won't dispute anything in your post.

The point of my post was not to compare Lee to Jefferson.

Rather, the point was that Lee is not now the QB he was in 2008, 2009, or 2010.

And Jefferson is not now the QB he was in 2008, 2009, or 2010.

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Please list them for me. I have 1 on the top of my head, Tenn game.

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not to be bottom paged:

off the top of my head

last year:
- 1st TD scoring drive against Florida. JL was the QB until we got inside the 10. JJ rushing TD
- 3rd TD drive against Florida. Same deal. ANother JJ rushing TD
- Other two TD drives that game were both JL TD passes

then this year:
- Kentucky JJ QB sneak
- Florida when JJ had the jump pass
- Tenn w/ the JJ run

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In 2010, JJ was a turnover machine with 10 INTs.

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10 INTs and 9 fumbles

So 19 turnovers can be attributed to JJ in 2010

How many ints did lee have in 2008? 16?

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How many ints did lee have in 2008? 16?

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How many games did JL play in 2008?

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You can't throw stats out like this if you are not going to put all the stats in there.

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All the stats? Should I have included 2008 and 2009 as well? Perhaps I should have posted Lee's stats for all of 2010 for comparison?

Stats for the entire year of 2010 are available for anyone to post. I was providing an analysis of the facts. If others have a different analysis, they can provide it.

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It is a bias to only state Jefferson's stats after the BAMA game in 2010 and is not an accurate measure of true numbers.

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No. It is not a bias. It is an analysis. There is a difference.

It is absolutely an accurate measure of the true numbers. Jefferson has undeniably had a HUGE improvement starting with the Bama game in 2010.

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Why not put all of 2010 in this for arguments sake.

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Perhaps because:

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We all know his numbers were shite for the first 8 games last season.

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Should I post Lee's interceptions for 2008, or has he improved from 2008?

Should I post Lee's 40% completion percentage and double digit QB Rating from 2009, or has he improved from 2009?

Should I post Lee's 50% completion percentage and double digit QB Rating from 2010 after the Florida game, or has he improved from that point?

Lee has played MUCH better in 2011. A clear trend has emerged.

Jefferson has played MUCH better since Bama '10. A clear trend has emerged.

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last year: - 1st TD scoring drive against Florida. JL was the QB until we got inside the 10. JJ rushing TD - 3rd TD drive against Florida. Same deal. ANother JJ rushing TD - Other two TD drives that game were both JL TD passes then this year: - Kentucky JJ QB sneak - Florida when JJ had the jump pass - Tenn w/ the JJ run

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That is only a handful of times in 4 years. Just so you know, UF was doing the same thing in that game with brantley and burton, it just worked out better for LSU.

So heaven forbid The head coach put the starter in the redzone to get a td. That Jump pass worked because the threat of JJ running, Just like how UF used tebow against us.

Up until the bama game this year, lee received the majority of snaps, who cares if JJ scores a rushing td in his first game back? Why are people so butt hurt about this?

Why not complain about last week? Two times we drive down the feild just to give hilliard a td. Didnt he finish with 4 carries for - yards and 2 tds? Why not the butt hurt for that? Because it's stupid and people only complain when they have an agenda against a certain coach or player.

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dude i'm just saying you said JL accounted for only 14 points in the Florida and TN games last year, which was false

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Well he only scored 14 pts is what im saying, so you cant sit here and say JL bailed us out SEVERAL times. Especially since we scored more than 14 points the entire season.


So lets go back to the tenn game last year. On the second series JJ throws a pick, guess who comes in? Lee, but again the leash is sooooo much shorter isnt it, and this is after JJ had already scored. On 2 drives Lee came in for Jordan, the first one lee made an illegal forward pass and we punt, the second one JJ takes us from the lsu 41 to the ut 14. We put lee in gain 1 yrd and kick a field goal.

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JL is the reason why we beat Florida last year

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I am going to say Jasper and Tolliver won that game j/j

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I am going to say Jasper and Tolliver won that game j/j

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well i guess i can give helton and jasper some credit for that too, ha

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The biggest difference b/t this year and last year is TURNOVERS.

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There's no disputing what difference turnovers can make, but if given that our turnover margin was zero, I would make claim to our downfield passing as being the single most improved part of our game.

I can't remember so many 40+ yard pass plays from our offense since Carlos Carson.

When JJ and Lee both hit paydirt from downtown against Auburn in the first half, I could feel Saban exhale.