re: So You Don't Know Why Miles Might Want to Start Jefferson?

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I love the way the stats complied earlier on JJ left out all the games last year where he was absolutely terrible. You cannot cherry pick only the games where your guy played well and discount the ones where he played poorly.

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Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias.

An example of cherry picking would be selecting the stats from the first two games games in October, while ignoring the stats from the last five games of the year.

The stats I presented are not cherry picked. To the contrary, the stats depict a turning point beginning with the Bama game. I have provided stats from that turning point forward without excluding any data that may contradict that position.

Face it, Jefferson got MUCH better starting with the Bama game in 2010.

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In 2010 JJ was a way below average SEC QB. That is a fact.

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In 2008, Lee was a turnover machine. That is a fact.

In 2009, Lee completed 40% of his passes and had a QB rating in double digits. That is a fact.

In 2010, Lee was a way below average SEC QB. That is a fact.

In 2011, Lee got MUCH better. Lee is now a damn good QB.

Jefferson also got better. He got better starting with the Bama game in 2010. Jefferson is now a damn good QB.

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neither QBs are "damn good" IMO. much better, yes. damn good, no. jury still is out for me on JJ. far too little to go by. hard to have an accurate view after 30 some odd passes, half of them coming in a game against a terrible team

I think every stat under crowton should be thrown out the window. Both QB's look like they have improved this year and I don't think it is because they are seniors.

no, but to be honest we dont win without JJ. Again in those games lee acounted for 14 points, Total. So to sit here and tell me lee bailed JJ out several times is ludicrous. Anyone who says that didnt watch the games closely.


Now without a doubt we would not beat bama without JJ, considering he has gotten the majority of snaps in the games in question, and led lsu to more points than lee in those ganes in question.

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not disagreeing but it does happen. see Jason Campbell

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Jason Campbell is a good example. But I don't think we can discount how much Kragthorpe has benefited both QBs. Have you seen what happened to the 2010 ACC Freshman of the Year? He was lights out behind center for Maryland last year, poised to have another great season.

He has 7 TDs and 10 INTs this year. Does that look familiar? Go check out JJ's stat line from last year. It's the exact same... you know what else is the exact same? the offensive coordinator.

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True but I believe other factors have contributed more towards their improved numbers.

1. Dominant running game
2. New OC and an actual QB coach
3. Simplified offense
4. Improved O-line

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our running game is essentially the same. averaged 185 ypg last year and are averaging 195 this year. The biggest difference b/t this year and last year is TURNOVERS. We have 6 all year this year and had 24 last year. We gave up 24 sacks last year and just 10 this year (6 by JJ). I think our punting game has also been a big reason for our success. A new OC has certainly helped, but I think it goes a lot deeper than that. We've dominated field position and taken care of the ball.

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He has 7 TDs and 10 INTs this year. Does that look familiar? Go check out JJ's stat line from last year. It's the exact same... you know what else is the exact same? the offensive coordinator.

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Oh I know. I think keeping Crowton around for 2010 was one of the bigger mistakes Miles has made during his tenure. Feel like he thought Crowton could get the job done with another year and cut him some slack after RP screwed the team over.

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there have been plenty of times where JL led the team down the field and then was replaced by JJ by the goal line. You have to attribute both players for earning points on those drives, not just who ran for/threw a TD.

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Please list them for me. I have 1 on the top of my head, Tenn game.

We didnt score against bama, and that play was more on Randle than lee, Randle caught the ball and didnt go down rt away burning time off the clock.

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Please list them for me. I have 1 on the top of my head, Tenn game.

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off the top of my head

last year:
- 1st TD scoring drive against Florida. JL was the QB until we got inside the 10. JJ rushing TD
- 3rd TD drive against Florida. Same deal. ANother JJ rushing TD
- Other two TD drives that game were both JL TD passes

then this year:
-Knetucky JJ QB sneak
- Florida when JJ had the jump pass
- Tenn w/ the JJ run