re: So You Don't Know Why Miles Might Want to Start Jefferson?

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Da frick?
In the 'bama game, if the pass to Shepard is on the money, it's a touchdown.

In the WKU game, on one drive,
if the pass is accurate to Clement, it's a touchdown,
if the pass is accurate to Beckham, it's a touchdown,
finally, he throws an accurate two-yard pass for the score.

Maybe he was just trying to give the defense a rest.

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I find this funny..for one the pass to Shepard was on the money for the most part...he wouldn't have caught it anyways...thats no offense to Shep but I'm not sold on his hands still..secondly the pass to Clement was drawn up as a touch pass you could tell that by the snap there's really no telling who's to blame for anything on that pass but the fact of the matter is the play went for 24 yards I believe..everyone's seen the numbers..but everyone also felt like they had to pick a side at the beginning of last year so it's really hard to convince some people..Personally, I think Jefferson is the better QB, and the numbers obviously show it. It's sad that I'm in the minority but who cares as long as were winning i dont care who is in.

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Not booing JL.

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So why do y'all boo Jefferson? How ignorant is that?

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6 points is what LSU scored in the game. It's all anyone, including yourself...has to go on.

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I bet you're thankful Ford stepped out of bounds.

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What game has a better comparative ratio of both starters going against the first team defense? It's our best example of both QB's running the same offense against the same defense. Sure, it's not 50-50, but throw out the 5 OT plays to only compare regulation and we've got 11 snaps to 44. Uneven, but still each QB had at least 20% of the regulation snaps -- it's enough to make a comparison, particularly compared to the rest of the schedule.

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Instead of snaps you should be looking at possessions. Lee's possessions had fewer snaps because he made them that way.

DRIVE TOTALS: LSU drive: 8 plays 31 yards, 03:52 LSU PUNT
DRIVE TOTALS: LSU drive: 3 plays 2 yards, 01:39 LSU INT
DRIVE TOTALS: LSU drive: 1 play 0 yards, 00:13 LSU INT

Lee's last 5 passes in the Bama game:

1st and 10 at ALA 44 Jarrett Lee pass incomplete.
3rd and 8 at ALA 42 Jarrett Lee pass incomplete
2nd and 13 at LSU 30 Jarrett Lee pass complete to Russell Shepard for 5 yards to the LSU 35.
3rd and 8 at LSU 35 Jarrett Lee pass intercepted by Robert Lester at the Alab 47, returned for no gain to the Alab 47.
1st and 10 at LSU 17 Jarrett Lee pass intercepted by Mark Barron at the LSU 39, returned for 14 yards to the LSU 35, ALABAMA penalty 10 yard Illegal Block accepted.

5 snaps, one completion for five yards, three drives ended (out of 10 for the game, so essentially one-third of our chances to score), 2 turnovers near or inside the 50.

I don't want to come off as bashing a player, but I just haven't seen anything out of Lee that makes me think he can do well against a top-level defense. The guy has been at LSU for 4 years now...what's his best drive against a legit top tier team at a meaningful point in the game?
I'm not talking about a fringe top-25 team, or teams like UF and Tenn last year that we let hang around for too long, I mean a legit title contender.

He was 10-22 for 98 yards with a TD and a fumble against Oregon.
He was 3-7 for 24 yards and 2 INTS against Bama.
He had the ball down 7 against Auburn 2010 and went 4 and out.
He had the ball for all 3 4th quarter drives at Alabama 2009, with a lead, and went 3 and out, 3 and out, and 4 and INT.
And even though 2008 is ancient history and there's no point in rehashing it, let's just say he didn't get it done against the contenders that year either...

There's one nice third down conversion against Bama in 2010 that didn't lead to points but was definitely important, and thats about it.

There's no doubt we certainly needed him on a couple of drives last year - Jefferson was straight up garbage for a sizable stretch - and those sideline throws this season against the also-rans who can't cover Randle or get a pass rusher near the QB have been something to see...but its pretty clear that Miles thinks that he needs Jefferson to beat the big boys. I don't see any evidence that he's incorrect.

Both of our quarterbacks have obvious weaknesses, and I think good playcalling can cover Lee's flaws better against lower quality teams but against top tier theres nowhere to hide.
With Jefferson, the caliber of the opponent doesn't matter as much, he's just "ok" against bad teams but he's also "ok" against good teams.

The love fest of Just Me and Jefferson continues...

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deSandman

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great post

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Instead of snaps you should be looking at possessions. Lee's possessions had fewer snaps because he made them that way.

DRIVE TOTALS: LSU drive: 8 plays 31 yards, 03:52 LSU PUNT
DRIVE TOTALS: LSU drive: 3 plays 2 yards, 01:39 LSU INT
DRIVE TOTALS: LSU drive: 1 play 0 yards, 00:13 LSU INT

Lee's last 5 passes in the Bama game:

1st and 10 at ALA 44 Jarrett Lee pass incomplete.
3rd and 8 at ALA 42 Jarrett Lee pass incomplete
2nd and 13 at LSU 30 Jarrett Lee pass complete to Russell Shepard for 5 yards to the LSU 35.
3rd and 8 at LSU 35 Jarrett Lee pass intercepted by Robert Lester at the Alab 47, returned for no gain to the Alab 47.
1st and 10 at LSU 17 Jarrett Lee pass intercepted by Mark Barron at the LSU 39, returned for 14 yards to the LSU 35, ALABAMA penalty 10 yard Illegal Block accepted.

5 snaps, one completion for five yards, three drives ended (out of 10 for the game, so essentially one-third of our chances to score), 2 turnovers near or inside the 50.

I don't want to come off as bashing a player, but I just haven't seen anything out of Lee that makes me think he can do well against a top-level defense. The guy has been at LSU for 4 years now...what's his best drive against a legit top tier team at a meaningful point in the game?
I'm not talking about a fringe top-25 team, or teams like UF and Tenn last year that we let hang around for too long, I mean a legit title contenders.

He was 10-22 for 98 yards with a TD and a fumble against Oregon.
He was 3-7 for 24 yards and 2 INTS against Bama.
He had the ball down 7 against Auburn 2010 and went 4 and out.
He had the ball for all 3 4th quarter drives at Alabama 2009, with a lead, and went 3 and out, 3 and out, and 4 and INT.
And even though 2008 is ancient history and there's no point in rehashing it, let's just say he didn't get it done against the contenders that year either...

There's one nice third down conversion against Bama in 2010 that didn't lead to points but was definitely important, and thats about it.

There's no doubt we certainly needed him on a couple of drives last year - Jefferson was straight up garbage for a sizable stretch - and those sideline throws this season against the also-rans who can't cover Randle or get a pass rusher near the QB have been something to see...but its pretty clear that Miles thinks that he needs Jefferson to beat the big boys. I don't see any evidence that he's incorrect.

Both of our quarterbacks have obvious weaknesses, and I think good playcalling can cover Lee's flaws better against lower quality teams but against top tier theres nowhere to hide.
With Jefferson, the caliber of the opponent doesn't matter as much, he's just "ok" against bad teams but he's also "ok" against good teams.

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Solid Post

I believe CLM sate that he didn't give a blank who the fans thought about who should be the starting or for that matter playing QB. CLM said he would choose the QB he thought gave the team the best opportunity to win. I got my opinion on who should start and my opinion is like arse holes everybody got one and they all stink. I seriously doubt that the fan base has a better grasp of who the best QB to play in each situation than the coaching staff. I for one trust Miles to do what is best for the team, he got much more riding on our winning than i do.

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there are fans in the stands who still do. There were a couple of threads on here during and after the game about select people not just booing but using racial slurs.

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There are "select people" who will do anything. I don't see a trend.

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I think you made this up also. I don't remember anyone making those statements

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then you weren't paying attention to those threads... they were prevelant.