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re: So, who's the better coach, Saban or Miles?
Posted on 10/22/08 at 2:47 pm to Acreboy
Posted on 10/22/08 at 2:47 pm to Acreboy
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Coaching styles reflect success. That's like saying both styles differ from Pete Carroll therefore he's not the best coach. But...Carroll is the best CFB coach.
Saban had to rebuild from the DiNardo era. He did a damn good job. Miles had to take the keys to the fixed up car and just drive.
Saban's rebuilding Bama and doing a damn good job. He's a piece of shite but that has nothing to do with coaching.
Saban is a better coach than Miles and the coaching styles have NOTHING to do with it.
Way to show your ignorance.
So many things wrong with this post, I don't know where to start.
1. Pete Carroll is a great college coach, but when a team has 25% more talent than the second best team in the country year-in-and-year out since 2000, it is likely inaccurate that said coach is the best coach in the country with only one BCS title and one AP title in the trophy case.
2. How could you possibly disagree that both Saban and Miles are both great coaches?
3. Saban had to turn a loser into a winner, but Saban did not have to "rebuild" at LSU. LSU was ranked #4 in the country less than 2 years before he took over at LSU not to mention if you followed recruiting then (which I'm going to take a guess that you're under 25 and have no idea how DiNardo recruited), you'd know that Saban came into a pretty solid situation talent-wise.
4. I'm not sure what you're arguing about in regards to the different styles. I simply stated that both have different styles and both the styles of Miles and Saban have had success historically and factually-speaking.
5. I get the sense that you are ardently defending Nick Saban, yet I'm not sure why because no one here is arguing with the fact that Saban is damn fine coach.
6. Saban is not "rebuilding" Bama. Much like when he took over at LSU, Bama has talent. Do an average star ranking of Bama's recruits over the last five recruiting classes ... You'll be surprised to see how high Bama is (higher than nearly 3/4 of the SEC)
7. The reason you're getting shite from me is because you're emphatically claiming as FACT that Saban is a better coach than Miles. That is ignorant in itself. I'm not saying that Miles is better than Saban, but how can one possibly claim as fact that Saban is better than Miles? Again, they're both great coaches.
Bottom line is you shouldn't go overboard with stating your opinions as the "end all, be all" and you'll be respected more and have more credibility. Just sayin.
This post was edited on 10/22/08 at 2:54 pm
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Posted on 10/22/08 at 2:50 pm to Acreboy
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Coaching styles reflect success. That's like saying both styles differ from Pete Carroll therefore he's not the best coach. But...Carroll is the best CFB coach.
Saban had to rebuild from the DiNardo era. He did a damn good job. Miles had to take the keys to the fixed up car and just drive.
Saban's rebuilding Bama and doing a damn good job. He's a piece of shite but that has nothing to do with coaching.
Saban is a better coach than Miles and the coaching styles have NOTHING to do with it.
I wasn't sure, but you removed all doubt.
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Way to show your ignorance.
Pot meet kettle.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 2:53 pm to LSUJJP
Although I like what Miles has been able to do with the program, I will give the nod to Saban. Some of you are crazy if you didn't think Saban would not have been able to dominate the SEC with the talent that "matured" under Miles. How many legitimate first round can't miss players has Miles recruited so far? Not a knock on him, but JR, Laron, Dorsey, Bowe,Buster,Flynn, Kyle Williams, Addai, would have paved the way for LSU to be dominant under Saban as they were under Miles. His attention to detail in recruiting, upgrading facilities, and the character of his players were evident in the quality of the young men who just led us to our last championship. He may have been a prick sometimes, but he is a damn good football coach. Miles has done a great job maintaining what he built and made some solid hires. I hope he continues to guide us in the right direction. The program is in good hands!
Posted on 10/22/08 at 2:54 pm to allyprest
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I will show you pics when I feel like the time is right. But I tink I'm a cutie.
How you doin?
Posted on 10/22/08 at 3:16 pm to Acreboy
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Saban had to rebuild from the DiNardo era. He did a damn good job. Miles had to take the keys to the fixed up car and just drive.
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Saban is a better coach than Miles and the coaching styles have NOTHING to do with it.
Way to show your ignorance.
And if you think coaching an elite college football program is as simple as taking the keys and driving then you are showing your ignorance.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 3:25 pm to Hardwood Tiger
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Some of you are crazy if you didn't think Saban would not have been able to dominate the SEC with the talent that "matured" under Miles
Winning 34 games, an SECC and a NC isn't dominating the SEC enough for you? Beating Fla, Auburn and Alabama in the same year (something that Saban never did) isn't showing maturity to you? Good Lord, where do some of you people come from?
Posted on 10/22/08 at 3:31 pm to geauxjo
Saban is a better coach.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 3:33 pm to The312
I like Miles, but coaching is as much about chemistry as anything else. Just ask the Miami Dolphins. Great coaches have succeeded in Miami. Great coaches have failed.
I thought DiNardo was great, built a great program after Curly left LSU a mess. Then DiNardo gaffed and hired Tepper...
Miles and LSU have great chemistry right now. Don't believe it? Look at his record at LSU.
I thought DiNardo was great, built a great program after Curly left LSU a mess. Then DiNardo gaffed and hired Tepper...
Miles and LSU have great chemistry right now. Don't believe it? Look at his record at LSU.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 3:41 pm to geauxjo
Obviously, you did not read or understand what I wrote. I was talking about the maturity and growth of the players. This allowed for Miles to put his foot on the gas and accomplish the things you just listed. When I think of maturity, I want you to think JLee as a freshman vs JLee as a Senior and what he can become.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 3:59 pm to Hardwood Tiger
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Obviously, you did not read or understand what I wrote
That's quite possibly true. It just seemed that you started the post by saying that Saban was the better coach and then went on to state why. It seems odd that you would make a statment then back it with facts that proved the opposite. But hey, I've misunderstood stuff before...just ask my wife.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 4:13 pm to geauxgeauxgirl
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geauxgeauxgirl
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Saban
Are you still upset because he shot you down a few years ago???
Posted on 10/22/08 at 4:15 pm to allyprest
Miles
Posted on 10/22/08 at 4:16 pm to SECBengal
saban...i believe most tiger fans deep down believe this
Posted on 10/22/08 at 4:17 pm to geauxjo
I have trouble thinking of JLee as a senior. I don't really like thinking about his as a RS Freshman, because I don't like seeing a RS Freshman on the field. What was it that Lou Holtz said about playing a Freshman, "You might lose the game."
Still, Saban gets tons of credit for developing talent. Certainly that is true, if you think of all the running backs he converted into top flight Wide Receivers. I haven't seen the same trait in Miles, but Miles is definitely the better game day coach. Just ask Carolina. Just ask Bama (look at their second half efforts).
Still, Saban gets tons of credit for developing talent. Certainly that is true, if you think of all the running backs he converted into top flight Wide Receivers. I haven't seen the same trait in Miles, but Miles is definitely the better game day coach. Just ask Carolina. Just ask Bama (look at their second half efforts).
Posted on 10/22/08 at 4:21 pm to JPLSU1981
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1. Pete Carroll is a great college coach, but when a team has 25% more talent than the second best team in the country year-in-and-year out since 2000, it is likely inaccurate that said coach is the best coach in the country with only one BCS title and one AP title in the trophy case.
Going 81–15 in 8 years is damn good. How do you downplay that with "how many championships does he have"?
Miles BTW since 2001 is 66–27.
Saban since 2001 is 54-16. Also note Saban was of course not coaching in the NCAA for 2 years.
Losing 16 games>losing 27
quote:Not, they are both great coaches. I think that Saban is a better coach than Miles. I never said both weren't great. FTR i'm happy Miles is here.
2. How could you possibly disagree that both Saban and Miles are both great coaches?
quote:You can have all the talent in the world but if you can't coach them (See Larry Coker) it doesn't mean shite. Saban came into a solid situation but it was nowhere NEAR the situation Miles came into.
3. Saban had to turn a loser into a winner, but Saban did not have to "rebuild" at LSU. LSU was ranked #4 in the country less than 2 years before he took over at LSU not to mention if you followed recruiting then (which I'm going to take a guess that you're under 25 and have no idea how DiNardo recruited), you'd know that Saban came into a pretty solid situation talent-wise.
quote:Very true, some guys respond better to the authority type, no nonsense. Other to the laid back, take care of business type. Both of their styles are and will continue to be successful.
4. I'm not sure what you're arguing about in regards to the different styles. I simply stated that both have different styles and both the styles of Miles and Saban have had success historically and factually-speaking.
quote:I was just trying to push my point that up until now, Saban is the better CFB coach.
5. I get the sense that you are ardently defending Nick Saban, yet I'm not sure why because no one here is arguing with the fact that Saban is damn fine coach.
quote:Again, how good is talent if they aren't coached properly?
6. Saban is not "rebuilding" Bama. Much like when he took over at LSU, Bama has talent. Do an average star ranking of Bama's recruits over the last five recruiting classes ... You'll be surprised to see how high Bama is (higher than nearly 3/4 of the SEC)
quote:I just pointed out previously their records since 2001. I probably shouldn't have stated it as "fact" I just felt strongly about my statement.
7. The reason you're getting shite from me is because you're emphatically claiming as FACT that Saban is a better coach than Miles. That is ignorant in itself. I'm not saying that Miles is better than Saban, but how can one possibly claim as fact that Saban is better than Miles? Again, they're both great coaches.
quote:No I shouldn't have gone overboard, you're right.
Bottom line is you shouldn't go overboard with stating your opinions as the "end all, be all" and you'll be respected more and have more credibility. Just sayin.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 4:28 pm to Acreboy
Acreboy
Is that, Acre in Israel or Acre in Ghana?
Anyway, I like your multi-point argument, but I am not moved by it. Saban was great at LSU and has turned Bama around faster than anyone expected. I think Bama has a real shot at the BCS championship game this year, though I suspect that would mean a date with Texas, and as much as it pains me to say, I think Texas has got it going this year.
Miles has been nothing short of brilliant at LSU. In three years he has an SEC Championship, BCS Championship, Sugar Bowl Victory, and Peach Bowl Victory. Plus, he is a lot funnier than Saban.
Is that, Acre in Israel or Acre in Ghana?
Anyway, I like your multi-point argument, but I am not moved by it. Saban was great at LSU and has turned Bama around faster than anyone expected. I think Bama has a real shot at the BCS championship game this year, though I suspect that would mean a date with Texas, and as much as it pains me to say, I think Texas has got it going this year.
Miles has been nothing short of brilliant at LSU. In three years he has an SEC Championship, BCS Championship, Sugar Bowl Victory, and Peach Bowl Victory. Plus, he is a lot funnier than Saban.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 4:29 pm to jacksimmons2000
Y'all cut Pete Carroll some slack. Dude surfs. You've got to appreciate that. Plus, he has a damn good record at USC. I am not sure that he is THE BEST coach in college football, but he is certainly in the conversation.
Personally, I like Paul Johnson for title of best college coach.
Personally, I like Paul Johnson for title of best college coach.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 4:30 pm to jacksimmons2000
quote:No one EVER denied that
Miles has been nothing short of brilliant at LSU. In three years he has an SEC Championship, BCS Championship, Sugar Bowl Victory, and Peach Bowl Victory. Plus, he is a lot funnier than Saban.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 4:36 pm to Acreboy
We're cool.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 4:37 pm to Acreboy
This thread began with the assertion that Miles is better on offense and Saban better on defense. Maybe, but I always thought of the two as pretty similar in that department. Both won National Championships with similar teams: average QB, tough nosed running game and a really aggressive defense that could take the game over.
I think the main difference between them is that Saban does more work before a game. Miles does more work during a game. At least, that is my take on it.
I think the main difference between them is that Saban does more work before a game. Miles does more work during a game. At least, that is my take on it.
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