re: So, who's the better coach, Saban or Miles?

I have heard that players were tired of Saban's routine and dictative ways. I personally liked how Saban turned LSU around, I just thought we has a dick as a person. He just always came across as one.

I personally think its because somebody started saying a long time ago after one of Mile's press conferences where he was stumbling through sentence fragments. Other people picked up on it and it has become "fact".

There was another poster that said that Saban was good at lying while Miles was more honest. I disagree. Miles consistently is less than honest and vague on a lot of topic (usualy player status). He's just a lot more likable when he lies.

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There was another poster that said that Saban was good at lying while Miles was more honest. I disagree. Miles consistently is less than honest and vague on a lot of topic (usualy player status). He's just a lot more likable when he lies

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That's not lying. That's telling you that it is none of anybodies business what goes on behind the locker room. As long as he has things under control, and he obviously does, he doesn't need tell us anymore then he already has.

I agree its not lying but its not honest either. I also agree it's a very polite way to tell the media to mind your own business. One thing about Nicky is he's an a-hole to the press. That is one area where Miles runs circles around Nicky: he's media saavy. He knows how to use the media to his team's advantage (see SECCG game last year). He really is a lot like Carroll in that way. Just without the glamour.

Both are competitive coaches. I strongly believe that Miles is better at what he does because he brings the team together. His personality is able to make the team more family oriented, unlike Saban. Saban is "cut-throat" when it comes to staff decisions. He is always tense and not a friendly person to work with. This is what seperates Saban from Miles.

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as someone has pointed out, Saban is a rebuilder and Miles is a maintainer.

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Why is Saban a builder and Miles "only" a manintainer? Based on what? Miles had the best record at Oklahoma State in more than 30 years. He took a moribund program and established a respectable program. That provides some evidence that he is/was a builder. OSU has continued to perform better over the last few years than it did prior to Miles arrival.

Saban came to LSU when LSU had had 2 straight losing seasons, but was loaded with talent. A good coach with a good staff would have been able to turn the program around because the team had talent already. After all LSU was favored to win the West in 1998 (because of its talent and success in the two preceeding years), following two strong seasons in 1996 and 1997, and then imploded due to our defensive mess. DiNardo had 10-2 and 9-3 seasons in his first two years and was hailed for "bringing back the magic." He then lost his DC and brought in Tepper, and we all know the rest of that story. Had DiNardo made a better defensive hire, Saban would probably not be all that well-known today, nor would he likely have ever been at LSU or Alabama.

Saban did an excellent job in taking the talent, adding to it, being aggressive in building up the facilities and resources (with the help and support of Emmert). But, contrary to the myth, he didn't build LSU from the ground up. His overall record at MSU was very similar to Miles' record at Oklahoma State. He didn't turn MSU into a "champion." Who is to say that with an aggressive chancellor Miles wouldn't have had success similar to what Saban had at LSU?

To say the one is better at building than the other is based on inconclusive evidence and incomplete comparisons. No one really knows, and it is at best an assumption. Both took not so great programs and turned them into better programs (Michigan State and Oklahoma State). Saban was hired by LSU from Michigan State and had the opportunity to take a struggling but talented team, and help it realized its potential. That potential had already been realized when Miles came to LSU. He didn't have to "rebuild." But it isn't because he couldn't. He had already shown that he could at Oklahoma State.

I think both are good coaches but different and good at different things.

And I really think this thread sucks.

We better hope that Miles is a good builder. One day, no matter how good you are, you're going to have re-build. The day may come when Louisiana has a couple years with no quality players and the OOS doesn't fall our way. Better hope Les can take a team thats tanked and bring it back.

And I loves me some Allyprest!!!

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Anyone who watches football knows that both are great coaches with two different styles. You're comment diminishes your credibility.

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Coaching styles reflect success. That's like saying both styles differ from Pete Carroll therefore he's not the best coach. But...Carroll is the best CFB coach.

Saban had to rebuild from the DiNardo era. He did a damn good job. Miles had to take the keys to the fixed up car and just drive.

Saban's rebuilding Bama and doing a damn good job. He's a piece of shite but that has nothing to do with coaching.

Saban is a better coach than Miles and the coaching styles have NOTHING to do with it.

Way to show your ignorance.