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Posted on 10/22/08 at 9:59 am to JPLSU1981
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as the wheels were about to come off internally at both programs that he previously left (Mich St. and LSU).
What do you mean. I am curious.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:21 am to allyprest
It is even on coaching and even on recruiting. They are both top 10 coaches.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:23 am to Kracka
If Lil Nicky's such a coaching genius, why did he have the losses and defensive screw ups against teams he should have beaten while at LSU? Give concrete examples of how he's a better coach than Miles. Did Saban do a better job at MSU than Miles at OSU? How about their tenures at LSU? Other than wins and losses, what is the "bottom line"? IMO, LSU has a better program now than when Saban left. Why? Miles is The Man!!! 
This post was edited on 10/22/08 at 10:29 am
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:31 am to LSUsmartass
IMHO Saban is a better coach than Miles.
Miles is good at managing the team as well as recruiting. I keep reading a lot of comments on how Miles is an offensive-minded coach, I think this a little misleading. He was an OL in college and he may be more knowledgable on that side of the ball than he is on defense. Last year our offense kept getting penalties for illegal formations. One time specifically comes to mind, when Miles was watching the play and an assistant or someone came running up to him motioning for a TO. The WR's were lined up wrong and he apparently had no idea. I think GC completely handles the offense and Miles just explains what he expects from the offense. I don't think he develops plays or is that hands on with them other than maybe the Line.
Saban on the other hand is not as likeable as maybe Miles is by the players. Miles has their overall best interest at heart, or it seems. Saban ONLY cares about you succeeding as football player. But also, he is DEFINITELY a hands on guy when it comes to defense. He devlops plays and players on that side of the ball. I think he will always need a good OC because he just tells them the gameplan he expects from the offense. Just look at Bama's defense, they are ALWAYS in the right spot to make plays. Our defense looks confused oftentimes.
With all that, once again I think Saban is a better coach from strictly a football standpoint. Both can recruit equally as good, although I think Saban is a better judge of talent. Miles is getting better with time and is a fine coach for LSU to have. Saban is great for Bama and they will definitely win a NC in a few years. The guy took a team that lost to UL-M last year and injected some true freshman and has them undefeated. He has relatively young guys playing at a great level at an early stage of their college careers.
Hopefully we win against UGA and Bama and get another chance to face UF. I believe that out team is capable of playing A LOT better than they have.
Miles is good at managing the team as well as recruiting. I keep reading a lot of comments on how Miles is an offensive-minded coach, I think this a little misleading. He was an OL in college and he may be more knowledgable on that side of the ball than he is on defense. Last year our offense kept getting penalties for illegal formations. One time specifically comes to mind, when Miles was watching the play and an assistant or someone came running up to him motioning for a TO. The WR's were lined up wrong and he apparently had no idea. I think GC completely handles the offense and Miles just explains what he expects from the offense. I don't think he develops plays or is that hands on with them other than maybe the Line.
Saban on the other hand is not as likeable as maybe Miles is by the players. Miles has their overall best interest at heart, or it seems. Saban ONLY cares about you succeeding as football player. But also, he is DEFINITELY a hands on guy when it comes to defense. He devlops plays and players on that side of the ball. I think he will always need a good OC because he just tells them the gameplan he expects from the offense. Just look at Bama's defense, they are ALWAYS in the right spot to make plays. Our defense looks confused oftentimes.
With all that, once again I think Saban is a better coach from strictly a football standpoint. Both can recruit equally as good, although I think Saban is a better judge of talent. Miles is getting better with time and is a fine coach for LSU to have. Saban is great for Bama and they will definitely win a NC in a few years. The guy took a team that lost to UL-M last year and injected some true freshman and has them undefeated. He has relatively young guys playing at a great level at an early stage of their college careers.
Hopefully we win against UGA and Bama and get another chance to face UF. I believe that out team is capable of playing A LOT better than they have.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:35 am to ellis1975
Miles is 1-0 against Bama.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:36 am to ellis1975
Saban has proven to be able to take a program and turn it into a champion. Les has not been able to take a middle of the road team and make it a champion. He's a question for you. If Miles took over at Bama last year, would Bama be ranked #2 in the country today?
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:38 am to JohnLSU
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with a AP and BCS National Title
awesome
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:44 am to Teacher
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Miles is 3-0 against Bama
fixed it
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:45 am to obsessedgator
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Did I read someone saying les miles is the best in the nation at halftime adjustments???
I realize you don't have time to do this, but just watch every one of Miles big games over the last three years. There's really no debate that LSU has been one of -- if not THE -- best team as far as halftime adjustments go. Granted, that may have more to do with Crowton and the other assistants than Miles, but nonetheless it is true.
Trust me. You are right about the Florida game, though. In that particular instance, the second half adjustments that were made obviously didn't work ... I think that had more to do with the simple fact that Florida is simply a better team than LSU this year.
This post was edited on 10/22/08 at 10:54 am
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:45 am to kevv824
Both Saban and Miles were very fortunate (lucky) to get into the BCS title games. I seriously doubt that Saban would have LSU undefeated now and I am certain that Bama will be exposed as extremely overrated at #2.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:46 am to guttata
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Saban has proven to be able to take a program and turn it into a champion. Les has not been able to take a middle of the road team and make it a champion. He's a question for you. If Miles took over at Bama last year, would Bama be ranked #2 in the country today?
moot point...as someone has pointed out, Saban is a rebuilder and Miles is a maintainer. Saban has not shown the ability to sustain long term success at a program. Had Saban been the coach at LSU for the past 3 years would LSU have finished in the top 5 with blowout bowl win in all 3? His record says "not likely", as he has only one season on his resume with less than 3 losses.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:48 am to Acreboy
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Saban is the better coach and it's quite obvious. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial imo.
Fail
Anyone who watches football knows that both are great coaches with two different styles. You're comment diminishes your credibility.
This post was edited on 10/22/08 at 10:56 am
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:52 am to guttata
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Les has not been able to take a middle of the road team and make it a champion.
While it is accurate that Miles has not taken a "middle of the road" team and made it a champion, Miles did take a "cellar dwellar" and made it competitive when he wasn't even the top program in his own state.
Miles has had a fine coaching career and will continue to do so. 10 years of consistent success is a pretty solid track record.
This post was edited on 10/22/08 at 11:00 am
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:55 am to ForeLSU
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Had Saban been the coach at LSU for the past 3 years would LSU have finished in the top 5 with blowout bowl win in all 3? His record says "not likely", as he has only one season on his resume with less than 3 losses.
Bingo!!
That said, this whole debate is stupid. Miles and Saban are both great coaches. Bama has Saban and LSU has Miles and both programs should be thankful for the one they got given the current circumstances.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:59 am to JPLSU1981
LSU is back to being a football power in this country and we owe a lot of that to Saban. Miles is a great recruiter and a good coach. Both coaches have contributed to LSU and each are at football powerhouses today.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:01 am to Kracka
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What do you mean. I am curious.
Without going into details about particluar players (that I must point out for full disclosure that I like and respect) and assistant coaches, there was A LOT of turmoil in the LSU locker room in the 2004 season and there were multiple "key" players threatening to leave the program. Would they have left had Saban stayed? No one really knows the answer to that because it became a moot point when he left, but it was not a cohesive locker room in Saban's final year to put it mildly, and even if the players would have stayed had Saban stayed, I would not have felt confident about the direction of the program given the underlying resentment bewtween players and coaches.
That should come as no surprise to anyone that has ever met Saban, though. His personality is one that wears on people after a couple years. I compare it to a company that is struggling that goes out and hires a new CEO. When that CEO comes in, people have no choice but to do what he says because whatever they were doing before obviously wasn't working. All that changes when the company gets back on it's feet and starts operating smoothly. At that point, no one wants a boss constantly micro-managing and standing over one's shoulder ... it's not a very good management style for sustained long term success. It works in the beginning, but not in the long run.
All that said, we at LSU got very lucky in the "timing" of Saban and Miles' arrivals at LSU. Saban came in and did what he does best - build a program from the ground up. Miles came in when the program was on it's feet and is doing what he does best - keep things greased and running smoothly. I don't know that either could do what the other one does best, if that makes sense (Miles likely couldn't "build" a program the way Saban does best and Saban likely couldn't "maintain" a program like Miles does best. We are very fortunate as LSU fans to have had both of these coaches come and go as they have.
This post was edited on 10/22/08 at 11:10 am
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:13 am to Colonel Hapablap
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If you're referring to Xs and Os, teaching football, etc., then Saban is better by a lot.
I hear this said a lot but nobody seems to have any concrete reason why. Do you know somebody who has worked for both coaches that can compare the two? You may be right, but at this level, I think most coaches know their Xs and Os pretty well.
And I would say Miles has developed talent as well as any coach in the nation.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:15 am to Cussian
ok teach, now that you've gotten all of these opinions, isn't it time for a picture?....come on now, don't keep us in suspence!....
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:18 am to Cussian
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nobody seems to have any concrete reason why
It's probably because Miles doesn't blitz as much
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