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re: So When does LSU Play a Complete Game? (Passing Game Stats Inside)
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:02 pm to Festus
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:02 pm to Festus
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can you admit that yesterday, against very inferior competition, he missed a few targets, and underthrew the long ball?
Yeah, sure. I've got no problem admitting what has happened thus far has been concerning. My argument is that if you're only going to throw it 18 times a game, being off two or three times, a few penalties, and a few drops are going to throw things way out of whack statistically.
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:04 pm to Cold Cous Cous
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If you find yourself unable to face that reality without going through an annual three-month long temper tantrum, I don't imagine you'll find much to enjoy about college football fandom.
i've posted at length about how miles has sapped my fandom and emotional ties about CFB. i'm not miserable, i'm more numb
people are literally creating a new reality right now and i'm posting data and explaining why people are freaking out
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I have trouble enjoying losses. So I figure I might as well enjoy the wins.
i was happy we beat auburn (because frick auburn) but none of the other games were worthy of being happy. they were bad opponents and we did what we were supposed to do against vastly inferior opponents (at least in terms of W/L). i don't know if those games were "cheer worthy" though
Florida looks to be our first game with real stakes at issue
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:04 pm to LACountyTiger
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The problem is on the sideline and in the booth.
If this is what you truly believe then you need help. It's not the coaches fault when our qb and wrs can't execute a simple out route. It's not the coaches fault when a wide open wr drops a pass that hits them in the hands. It's not the coaches fault when Harris passes up a wide open LF to throw a horrible fade route that barely makes it to Dupre let alone on his back shoulder.
The coaches are making the game as simple as possible for Harris and our wrs. CFB isn't about having some innovative and creative plays. It's about executing the plays that you do run.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's not that we're simply not throwing...we are really bad at it
Most of the stats you posted in the OP are miss leading even though last night wasn't a good effort. Too many correctable mistakes were made. With that said, its too early to write off LSU's passing game as bad.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Only because our 1st 5 games last year were Wisconsin, Sam Houston, ULM,Miss st and new Mexico state.
and out of all opponents both years, Wisconsin is by far the best that either team faced (and yes I know i was wrong about them)
MSU, Auburn, Syracuse, and EMU aren't exactly good
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If we had played 3 cupcakes this year
EMU, Syracuse, and Auburn are cupcakes this year
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what if that passing extends drives to get our RBs more carries? that's what i want to happen
That is great and all, but we have one thing that is an absolute certainty - LF is averaging 8.7 yards per rushing attempt. Passing the ball should be done when necessary to keep the defense honest, but I cannot condone passing just for the sake of passing. Until proven otherwise, LF should remain the priority in this offense. I would love for us to pass effectively when necessary, but anything other than that is not a recipe for success IMO.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:06 pm to Tigers4life
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With that said, its too early to write off LSU's passing game as bad.
what would you consider a good passing game?
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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look at what?
That we win and still make excuses like we lost.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:07 pm to slackster
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My argument is that if you're only going to throw it 18 times a game, being off two or three times, a few penalties, and a few drops are going to throw things way out of whack statistically.
For sure. Also if you're only gonna pass 15-18 times you're pass protection should be great for those pass attempts. I've never seen an oline have such a huge gap of success between run blocking and pass blocking. We are the best run blocking oline in cfb and we are ,maybe average at pass blocking.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:07 pm to slackster
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but I cannot condone passing just for the sake of passing
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what if that passing extends drives
doesn't compute
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
id hate to see what we'd do with players who do best with the ball in space.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:08 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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If this is what you truly believe then you need help. It's not the coaches fault when our qb and wrs can't execute a simple out route. It's not the coaches fault when a wide open wr drops a pass that hits them in the hands. It's not the coaches fault when Harris passes up a wide open LF to throw a horrible fade route that barely makes it to Dupre let alone on his back shoulder.
The coaches are making the game as simple as possible for Harris and our wrs. CFB isn't about having some innovative and creative plays. It's about executing the plays that you do run
In a vacuum I agree.
But when we see these same problems year after year, game after game (yes with the lone exception of 2013), you have to look to the coaching staff and question their methods/abilities to get consistent play from QB and WR.
These are elite athletes, not scrubs who's only offer was from LSU.
They are not being coached up. That seems pretty clear.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:08 pm to SmackDaniels
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That we win
well quality of opponent matters
if we didn't win against EMU we should give up
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
9-14 for 64%
12-17 for 71%
8-16 for 50%
Lets not talk about drops and penalties. Too early.
12-17 for 71%
8-16 for 50%
Lets not talk about drops and penalties. Too early.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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EMU, Syracuse, and Auburn are cupcakes this year
I would honestly have to see more of Syracuse before calling them a cupcake. Their schedule sets them up well enough for at least going to a bowl game.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:10 pm to slackster
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Until proven otherwise, LF should remain the priority in this offense
For the love of God. Not a single person is arguing otherwise.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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EMU, Syracuse, and Auburn are cupcakes this year
Come on. No p5 conf team is a cupcake and definitely not one that was picked to win the west. Auburn isn't good but they aren't a cupcake. Syracuse is better than ULM Sam Houston and new Mexico state.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's just knowing UF, Alabama, Ole Miss, A&M aren't going to allow LF to run wild. I think the coaching staff showed last night that they totally gave up on passing, which doesn't bode well going forward.
One of these is not like the other. If we have to rely on the passing game against UF, we are playing directly into their strengths. The running game should be our main focus until Alabama. At that point, I guess we shall see what happens.
I'm pretty certain that throwing the ball more in the second half last night would have only led to more problems. I'm glad Miles shut it down and finished off EMU with our strength. There were plenty of things to work on after the first half, and a few more completions/incompletions in the second half would have done nothing to change that.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:14 pm to LACountyTiger
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But when we see these same problems year after year, game after game (yes with the lone exception of 2013),
What? Our passing game was only bad in 2014.
2009 JJ had the 9th best passing season in lsu history. 17tds--7 ints 62% compl and FINISHED TOP 5 IN THE SEC IN PASS EFFICIENCY AND QB RATING
2011 our qbs had a very good year. JLEE led the sec in qb rating and JJ had 6tds -2 ints 61 % compl 137.8 qb rating.
This myth that our qbs suck even year just isn't true. Our qb play was only truly horrible ij 2014.
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They are not being coached up.
Who are these sec programs with multiple good qbs?
Florida hasn't had one since Tebow
Bama has had one since AJ
Uga benched qbs yesterday
A&M hasnt had one since JM
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what if that passing extends drives
For the record, LSU is 2nd in giveaways per game, 87th in punts per game, and 128th in third down plays per game.
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