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re: So When does LSU Play a Complete Game? (Passing Game Stats Inside)
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:12 pm to slackster
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:12 pm to slackster
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That isn't the conversation at hand, is it?
Chopique hates miles and loves passing. Don't expect to get any thing else out of him other than program bashing
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:14 pm to slackster
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I can have a conversation about improving our efficiency, yards per attempt, and yards per completion. Anything else is just asking our offense to be flashy,
to be fair
if we doubled our passing output, that still wouldn't qualify as "flashy". we'd be tied for 97th at 191/game
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:14 pm to Choupique19
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How many of these years has LSU finished 90th or worse in college football passing?
Not one time when you use a pure Stat like passing yards per attempt. Of course our passing totals will be low because we don't run a huge amount of plays and we don't pass alot.
For example in 2013 lsu finished 3rd in the country in passing yards per attempt but we finished 110th in pass attempts per game so our totals weren't high. Which proves that our passing game was limited by attempts alone and not the success of passing plays
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Which proves that our passing game was limited by attempts alone and not the success of passing plays
Yes that's why our passing offense has looked so bad for the last year and 4 games.
The low number of attempts. That's it, the only reason. The pass plays we do run have been sooooo successful.
Do you even watch the games?
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
The passing game has struggled thus far, I don't think you'll find anyone that says otherwise - perhaps BeeFense 
.
That being said, Harris is no where close to the main reason, and I have a hard time taking someone seriously if they think otherwise. There are problems that need to be solved, but Harris has done what he has been asked to do IMO.
The conversation now is that Harris tends to try for the home run more often than necessary, which is a vast improvement from last year where we were legitimately questioning our ability to hit the broadside of a barn.
. That being said, Harris is no where close to the main reason, and I have a hard time taking someone seriously if they think otherwise. There are problems that need to be solved, but Harris has done what he has been asked to do IMO.
The conversation now is that Harris tends to try for the home run more often than necessary, which is a vast improvement from last year where we were legitimately questioning our ability to hit the broadside of a barn.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's a good thing we hired a guy who's been fired from his last 4 jobs and was in Miles' wedding for a measly 1.3 million dollars. That should do the trick
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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simplifying the game would help a great deal
The coaches have tried this. The game is called as simply as it can be for Harris. He is asked to throw less than 20 times a game and when he throws deep it's usually with no safety help over the top. He has had screens, rb flare,and wr screens called in almost every game to get him going. Our 3rd down plays are rarely more than 3rd and 6 because of our run game. I don't know how much simpler the game can be called for him.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
If we doubled our passing production (without the expense to our rushing production), we would rank in the ten most productive offenses from a yardage standpoint in CFB. That's an LSU team ranking in the top ten, just to clarify.
Iron out the kinks, bench wideouts if necessary, do whatever you have to do in order to get production, because even a meager passing game equates to total dominance.
Iron out the kinks, bench wideouts if necessary, do whatever you have to do in order to get production, because even a meager passing game equates to total dominance.
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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2011 says hi
Wow. You mean the SEC championship season? 13-1 with loss to a team previously beaten by LSU and on the road.
LSU lost a single game that year. A great LSU team lost to a great Alabama team. It was a terrible loss with a lot at stake but thats football. You idiots need to stop using it as a permanent indictment against Miles. Its football, shite happens.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:21 pm to slackster
i'm just saying that our fans often don't understand the exact nature/ranking of our passing game. posis like to act like wanting to move into the 90s in passing means we're going "air raid" when that's not true. that's why i said it's not about "flash", not when our doubled output still puts us in the fricking 90s
i'm not blaming harris
on a side note, i will say that we are likely the most irrational fanbase in terms of confidence of our QB in terms of output
i don't think another team has ever described their QB as being super-talented or an NFL prospect when that QB throws sub-100/game
well i'm no AJ cheerleader, but we had superior passing output (and likely superior completion rate and ypa) last year at the same point
AJ did have his meltdown and Harris gets some of that credit, but go look at the 2014 stats through 4 games and compare them to 2015
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That being said, Harris is no where close to the main reason
i'm not blaming harris
on a side note, i will say that we are likely the most irrational fanbase in terms of confidence of our QB in terms of output
i don't think another team has ever described their QB as being super-talented or an NFL prospect when that QB throws sub-100/game
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which is a vast improvement from last year where we were legitimately questioning our ability to hit the broadside of a barn.
well i'm no AJ cheerleader, but we had superior passing output (and likely superior completion rate and ypa) last year at the same point
AJ did have his meltdown and Harris gets some of that credit, but go look at the 2014 stats through 4 games and compare them to 2015
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if we doubled our passing output, that still wouldn't qualify as "flashy".
Improvements in the passing game need to manifest themselves in per attempt and per completion statistics, not in the volume stats like yards per game.
Considering sacks and penalties, we're averaging slightly less than 18 attempts per game. Under absolutely no circumstances should LSU be throwing the ball 36 times per game with the talent that is currently in the backfield.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:21 pm to slackster
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That being said, Harris is no where close to the main reason, and I have a hard time taking someone seriously if they think otherwise. There are problems that need to be solved, but Harris has done what he has been asked to do IMO.
I generally agree. However, can you admit that yesterday, against very inferior competition, he missed a few targets, and underthrew the long ball?
And yes, I agree, the dropped balls were clearly on the receivers. But are you saying you feel like Harris played a good game yesterday, considering the competition?
(FWIW, I'm a huge fan of BH)
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:23 pm to Tiger985
2011 is an indictment of the style of play. if you want to put that on miles then fine
i measure our good years in terms of national titles
i measure our good years in terms of national titles
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if we doubled our passing output, that still wouldn't qualify as "flashy". we'd be tied for 97th at 191/game
As sad to say as it is, the Eastern Michigan game will be confirmation to the opponents down the stretch that LSU is a one trick pony.
I honestly believed it would be a break out of the passing game. Instead it was confirmation that LSU only has the RB position to lean on. The Florida game will be the first big test.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:24 pm to LACountyTiger
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The low number of attempts. That's it, the only reason. The pass plays we do run have been sooooo successful.
Except FACTS and Stats prove this dumbass. Only in 2014 did we have truly horrible passing.
2013 Mett had the second best passing season in lsu history.
2009 JJ had the 9th best passing season in lsu history (17tds-7 ints 138.7 qb rating higher than Flynn in 07 , 61% compl)
2011 JLee was the most efficient qb in the sec and JJ had 6tds-2 ints 62 % completion and a qb rating of 137( higher than Flynn's in 07)
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Do you even watch the games?
Yeah I do. Except I actually know what I'm looking at unlike you. I'm using facts in my argument and you're using opinions. I wonder which one is correct
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:25 pm to slackster
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Under absolutely no circumstances should LSU be throwing the ball 36 times per game with the talent that is currently in the backfield.
what if that passing extends drives to get our RBs more carries? that's what i want to happen
we don't have a set # of plays. we can increase our total plays and RB carries with a better passing game. more passing, if done correctly (that's the issue that i think we both agree on), will mean more opportunities for our running game. that's optimal. offensive plays are not a zero-sum stat
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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measure our good years in terms of national titles
This is bullshite. The players and coaches have no control over making the playoff/bcs title game. The only title that coaches and players have control over is the sec west and sec title. Anything else is beyond their control.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:26 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Reading comprehension.
I specified the last year and 4 games you stupid fricking shite.
I specified the last year and 4 games you stupid fricking shite.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:26 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Except FACTS and Stats prove this dumbass. Only in 2014 did we have truly horrible passing.
Can you actually have a conversation without getting pissed off? You fling shite in every thread
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:27 pm to The Egg
The concern isn't how many yards or how often we pass, it is balance. We need balance so that defenses respect the pass so that the entire playbook can be employed. The total abandonment of the passing game last night is, in my opinion, a bad indicator of our ability to do this when we must.
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