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re: So what IS wrong with the defense?

Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:25 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:25 am to
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Again, if you start making conclusions based on what teams did against other teams, then you will get nowhere

it's like somebody pointed out earlier, and i tried this early in the season

this isn't the first game this year that we've said, "man that QB played really well against us," who has not met that performance level against other teams. how else can we compare the teams we play?
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:25 am to
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The feeling I had after last night was the feeling I had after the South Carolina game last year...team played flat.


or the tulane game last year. that tulane team was horrible and they were actually leading for a few minutes. i wouldn't get too worked up yet. i expect the D to look much better against UF
Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9162 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:29 am to
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14 points is 14 points...not a lot.

We couldn't come up with a big stop against Auburn when it counted. We saw that again last night. And we saw it several times last season.

Having a solid, but not great defense, is good enough to win it all like last year. But I don't get how some fans think our defense is great. We've done nothing to earn that label last year and so far this year.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:30 am to
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how else can we compare the teams we play?
Four games into the season, not sure what you really get by doing that, especially after a weekend of upsets like this weekend.

Miss State got 3 points after their long kickoff to start the game...they also score after our fullback fumbled and they had less than 50 yards to drive. Sure, we had some breakdowns, but also did last year.

It happens...we just aren't going t crush teams 45-0 every week.

To me, if just matters that we got the Win...nothing else matters.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:31 am to
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AU- 14 pts on the road, not to shabby.


The 14 points Auburn's offense scored against us is more than they've scored in both of their other two SEC games combined...against two teams that are a combined 0-4 in SEC.

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MSU- dinking it to the RB's is something that can easily be fixed.


Then what does that say about a defense that doesn't fix it?

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a slight schematic adjustment.


Coaches do not change their schemes. It's matter of defending their manhood. Changing means admitting they were wrong. They don't do that.

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They also didnt break 300 yards of total offense, which is usually a good DEf effort


The worst offense in the SEC, and probably the worst offense of any BCS league team, getting anywhere close to 300 exposes whatever defense allowed it to happen as average or worse.

I hope the problems on our defense are correctable. They don't seem to be, since they appear to be mostly talent and scheme related, but I hope they are.

But until the major problems on our defense are corrected, we do not have a great defense. We don't even have a good one. If you wanted to be charitable and ignore the fact that Louisiana Tech's defense performed better than ours did against MSU, you could say we have an average defense right now. Last night's game, which was far below what even an average defense should do against MSU, does not define this defense, so I am still hoping we are actually an average defense that has a chance to improve.

But the words "good" and "great" do not apply to this defense, period.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:33 am to
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We couldn't come up with a big stop against Auburn when it counted
Oh really? Like on that last drive they had?

Auburn scored two offensive TD's...that is two drives. Not sure how many drives they had overall, but they only scored on two. You statement makes no sense.

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But I don't get how some fans think our defense is great.
Our defense is definitely not great...nor was it great last year, after the first half of the South Carolina game. Doesn't matter...we are unbeaten this year.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465347 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:34 am to
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we just aren't going t crush teams 45-0 every week.

we aren't really crushing teams like that

the first game against appy state had 1 great half and we really didn't do much in the 2nd (with our starters in)

the 2nd game had like 1 drive, and the coaches kept trying to have drives, but it was a "work on it" game

Auburn was Auburn
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:35 am to
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Scott is currently the most important player on the team. Why was he running the ball with 2:30 on the clock and up by 10?


Because we needed to keep the ball and run out the clock, otherwise our defense would give up another long TD drive and we could lose the game.
Posted by tigerbill002
Member since May 2008
2318 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:37 am to
USC defense is great right?
Ohio St. defense is great right?
Georgia defense is great right?
How about Mizzou? Great right?

I need someone to compare our defense with another teams defense. What defense in the country would you rather have. Ill take ours. Dont expect perfection guys, it will never happen.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465347 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:38 am to
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Dont expect perfection guys, it will never happen.

playing MSU on a Georgia Tech-level is not expecting perfection
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:39 am to
We are overlooking the obvious, UT's D gave up only 7 points, AU scored on yet another Arian Foster fumble ~ a gimme 5-yards from the endzone. UT's D definitely played AU better than LSU's. With a decent QB UT wins that game. If LSU doesn't create ways to bring pressure against UF, UGA, and Bama (excellent O line) it will not be pretty.
Posted by tigerbill002
Member since May 2008
2318 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:40 am to
Our team did enough to win the game.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465347 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:42 am to
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Our team did enough to win the game.

i'd hope so

we're a top 3 talent team

MSU is the 2nd worst team in the SEC this year
Posted by HITMAN202
natchez mississippi
Member since Apr 2008
872 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:44 am to
SLOWPROFLOW I think you are wrong. All recruits in the SEC are studs and a QB like Lee can hurt a D, even if The D is top notch. A key scramble on the first Td in the second half is one of those things that happen. The D broke down when the pressure came and he got the first down on pure chance. Second TD are LB's were getting picked and on the key third down made a great pass to the sidelines for a first down. Georgias defense is not going to give up 31 in many games and Alabama took advantage of stupid Georgia mistakes and turnovers and the QB made some great plays. The LSU D is fine.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465347 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:46 am to
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All recruits in the SEC are studs

those studs lost to a mid-level WAC team earlier

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and a QB like Lee can hurt a D, even if The D is top notch. A key scramble on the first Td in the second half is one of those things that happen. The D broke down when the pressure came and he got the first down on pure chance. Second TD are LB's were getting picked and on the key third down made a great pass to the sidelines for a first down.

you wanna make a bet that lee and MSU's offense look absolutely horrible at least 4 more times this year?
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94755 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:47 am to
I agree, all of the sudden this defense sucks. LSU is going to lose 4 games this season because they gave up 24 points against Miss St.

There's no possible way that maybe the gameplan on defense may not have been the best? Can no one give credit to Miss. St for having a good offensive plan?

Different game plans for different teams every week. Everyone here is acting like the defense is the least talented as it's ever been at LSU.

You guys have no patience whatsoever and are incredibly sensitive and ready to call of the season after one game. A win at that. It's retarded.

There's so much talent on the defensive side of the ball, regardless of the numbers, that there will be better games. Don't concede that entire side of the fricking ball because they had a game where you guys thought should hold a team to under 200 yards.
Posted by cajunx2
Edgefield,SC
Member since Jul 2005
428 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:49 am to
We have 6 new players starting on our D. USC has the best d in the nation and Oregeon St ran the hell over them. Sure our D has issues but they are correctable ones. Everybody need to chill out.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70507 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:49 am to
Generally speaking, LSU's defense played lights out for most of the first half--with great intensity. It looked like MSU was in store for an atrocious game. I think that intensity, coupled with quick scoring and consecutive turnovers on LSU's part (plus, the injuries to two starters, which hurt depth) tired the defense.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465347 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:50 am to
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all of the sudden this defense sucks.

i never said it sucks

it has not been great so far this year, however

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Can no one give credit to Miss. St for having a good offensive plan?

why is LSU always the first team that these teams develop these great offensive plans against?

you saw the same commentary with AU last week, and everyone was talking about how their shitty offense had turned the corner, then UTenn's D almost completely shuts them down (226 yards and 7 points)

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and ready to call of the season after one game

very few people have done this

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Don't concede that entire side of the fricking ball because they had a game where you guys thought should hold a team to under 200 yards.

this isn't about one game

our D hasn't lived up to the hype in any game this year. do you think it has?
Posted by da boot
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Aug 2006
1527 posts
Posted on 9/28/08 at 10:50 am to
probably a good thing our defense feels they need to be dominant for the next game, seeing as how its in gainesville. but what pisses me off and makes us look bad is the fact that were giving up 20+ points to teams who dont ususally score half of that against decent defenses. alot of it is due to lack of some fundamentals and our youth at the cb and lb spot is showing.
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