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re: So if every fan and defensive coordinator knows
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:45 am to Spark2121
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:45 am to Spark2121
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Every formation we have should be able to have at least 14-15 plays run out of it IMO
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you do realize that was crowton's downfall? formationing teams to death to the point where the players didn't know what the hell we were running?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:50 am to PurpleAndGold86
I get my kicks calling out dumb fricks like you. I am amazed how stupid some are on here. There is nothing wrong with the offense PNG86 says so....its a very complex offense
fricking stupid!
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:50 am to TDTGodfather
Isn't there some middle ground between everyone in the stadium knowing what play is coming and the Crowton scenario where not even the QB knows what the play is? Between the play fooling the defense and the play fooling our offense?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:51 am to Topwater Trout
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I would say I am right over 80% of the time.
And again I call bullshite. I would challenge you to actually post everyone of your "right calls" in real time. Even if you call every third and short as a run, and every third and long as a pass, yo will not sniff 80%. Until you can prove your unrealistic statistic, you are just talking out of your arse like most other coachtards
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:52 am to Topwater Trout
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I get my kicks calling out dumb fricks like you. I am amazed how stupid some are on here. There is nothing wrong with the offense PNG86 says so....its a very complex offense
Yeah I guess you told me. Since I said we have an NFL caliber type complex offense. Never said that.
What I did say was that you are a stupid dipshite that thinks he can call LSU plays. If a Denfensive Coordinator could acurately predict 80% of our plays, including direction, routes, etc. we would never score. Yet somehow you are such a guru that you can predict more than 80% of the plays. Funny.
You are seriously one delusional prick.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:55 am to ApexTiger
it's not quite that cut and dried. we have strong tendencies to run out of certain formations and pass out of others. this enables the defense to gamble with more certainty. they load the box against the run and can blitz the qb against the pass. no defense knows exactly what play you're going to run with the exception of short yardage where lsu runs about 2 running plays. when lsu goes to the wildcat it is 99% certain the qb will run the ball and this has been true since RP. hell, perilloux threw a pass ONE TIME from the wildcat and there wasn't a defender anywhere around; it freaked the D out. it also, might have been an audible because we never saw it again. miles hates turnovers so he runs an uber safe set of plays esp with our qb's the last few years. he doesn't need trick plays, he needs to break tendencies. also, did you notice bama's formations against ND? many of them involved multiple options where the qb could hand off to more than one back or pass. also, the ol held their blocks long enough for adequate check downs and then dump it to the rb if necessary. lsu seems to line up in the I and hand it to the RB 7 yds in the backfield or toss sweep it, esp in short yardage situations.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:55 am to HeadCoach
I am too interested in watching the game than posting about each play. I really don't care what you think. The offense is very easy to predict.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:57 am to Topwater Trout
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et we are able to tell what play is about to be run. I would say I am right over 80% of the time.
Just imagine what SEC DCs know after hours upon hours of film based on formation, down and distance, and personnel.
and some just do not understand we succeed sometimes against 8 and 9 in the box based on pure talent even though Miles puts them in precarious situations. Imagine some creativity in the passing game so we only have to face 7 man fronts? would that not make it a little easier on the offense? and line?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:57 am to Topwater Trout
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Topwater Trout
Name 5 plays that LSU runs?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:58 am to LSU GrandDad
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RP. hell, perilloux threw a pass ONE TIME from the wildcat and there wasn't a defender anywhere around; it freaked the D out.
it was from the SHOTGUN against VT in 2007. The D bit on the option fake and he hit doucet wide open.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:00 am to PurpleAndGold86
How often do we run misdirection runs? Handoff out of the shotgun? Run the toss dive when the rb is at a cetrtain depth.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:02 am to ApexTiger
did you know LSU had the #1 scoring offense in the SEC last year on its way to a BCS NC appearance?
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:12 am to Fat Bastard
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it was from the SHOTGUN against VT in 2007. The D bit on the option fake and he hit doucet wide open.
And we never saw it run again. Setting up plays is something this staff rarely does. I really think they don't self scout our own tendencies.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:16 am to Summer of George
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did you know LSU had the #1 scoring offense in the SEC last year on its way to a BCS NC appearance?
uh huh set up by tons of short fields thanks to the DEFENSE and SPECIAL TEAMS.
Scoring offense? You sure you are not including all the points the D and ST scored?
Either way look at our OFFENSIVE rank.
NUFF SAID.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:18 am to EarthwormJim
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Name 5 plays that LSU runs?
Jumbo I formation, 1 reciever, reciever goes in motion toward the lineman, we run the ball to the weak side, reciever is there to protect a safety from catching us from behind since they have 10 in the box for this play.
shotgun with two RB's next to Mett, usually an obvious 3rd down pass situation. it's a pass, both RB's stay in to block. maybe two recievers at most go out for a pass, we get sacked or throw the ball before the first down marker. We ran the ball out the shotgun for one game, i think the South Carolina game and it worked well, and never really made it a point to run out the shotgun again.
Oh hey look we made a first down and we are running to the line for a hurry up. everyone knows what that means, pitch dive, and somehow it almost always gets us at least 5 yards. too bad we had 8 3 and outs against clemson and couldn't run this.
I-formation, 2 recievers, it's one of two plays, either a HB dive or a quick throw to one of the two receivers running a slant. and if mett puts his arm behind his back to change up the play, it's a 99% chance one of these two plays is about to happen. and if they aren't running a slant, i can gaurantee you it's a 5-10 yard out.
Also, a few years ago when Reuben Randle was a freshman, 99% of the time he came in the game we ran the ball, he strictly came in the game to run block. there's a personal tendency
Ford comes in the game, very good chance we are either passing it or it's a pitch to the outside, he's not running up the middle to often. no different than when we had charles scott and keiland. personal tendency
I don't rewatch games or study film, never even played football, i think most LSU fans that watch games fairly intently and aren't mentally retarded can pick up on most of these tendencies.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:18 am to Icansee4miles
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Isn't there some middle ground between everyone in the stadium knowing what play is coming and the Crowton scenario where not even the QB knows what the play is? Between the play fooling the defense and the play fooling our offense?
yes but there are a lot of formations and variations of each after that. i was taking that point of running 14-15 plays out of each literally.
all LSU needs to do is execute and vary what they do. their tendencies in certain situations are predictable. it doesn't call for a complete overhaul.
mike leach can run a bunch of variations off one play. (and i don't want his offense).
but people overlook the fact that LSU passed more this yr than any other since 07. and also threw on 1st down a bunch.
it was just bad luck for Les that what sank him in the clemson game was what people were clamoring for him to do all season: be unpredictable.
if those passes late in the game had worked, he'd come off looking like a genius.
actually i know better than that, other coaches would look like a genius, for Les it would've been stupid luck.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:19 am to Fat Bastard
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uh huh set up by tons of short fields thanks to the DEFENSE and SPECIAL TEAMS.
Scoring offense? You sure you are not including all the points the D and ST scored?
Either way look at our OFFENSIVE rank.
NUFF SAID.
Hey, when the man stops consistently putting up double digit wins running through a stacked SEC conference, then I'll start complaining.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:21 am to TDTGodfather
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but people overlook the fact that LSU passed more this yr than any other since 07. and also threw on 1st down a bunch.
link?
and if so, you do realize that just because it is a pass it does not automatically= balance or creativity all over the field? especially when the majority of what we threw were curls and slants?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:21 am to EarthwormJim
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Name 5 plays that LSU runs?
Why? Since I don't know the terminolgy LSU uses what is the point?
Off tackle handoffs left and right. FB dive. Off tackle toss right and left. Stretch handoffs (primarily with ford since he almost always runs outside).
Watch the te in motion or the wr and they will take you to the POA most of the time.
We never run counters.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:23 am to PurpleAndGold86
I agree with top water trout! If u can't tell what play we are about to run by our formation , u are the dumb arse.
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