re: Skip Thrown Under the Bus - Is it True?

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that was skip's only defense in the USA today article "well buh buh buh everybody was doing it." Atleast McDonald got his money, some others should prolly be living in Skip's house in Riverbend.

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i didnt say it was right. just that the fact that he's the only one who catches heat is pretty comical to me.

damn we had that fig weiderhold when lane was here? frick i didnt realize he was here that long.

right i understand why it happens.

so like when he made Brad David throw 25 curves in a row

Dr. James Andrews disagrees with you. His studies are showing that overuse is the main problem. This is from one article I found:

"Through studies at the institute, Andrews identifies these risk factors:

• Overuse because of year-round baseball. Andrews said this is a bigger problem in warm-weather states, but he is starting to see more incidents in the Midwest as pitchers throw on a regular basis at indoor batting cages during the offseason.

• Overuse during the season. Little League, for instance, limits a pitcher to six innings per week. Better players, however, also often compete on travel teams, which do not have such restrictions and might play six or seven games during a three-day tournament.

• Radar guns. "All they're trying to do is see how hard they can throw it," Andrews said. "There is just no need to have that kind of pressure."

• Showcase tryouts. Andrews said hopefuls often aren't in pitching shape for offseason tryouts, yet overthrow to impress college recruiters and pro scouts.

• Poor pitching mechanics, especially throwing a curveball improperly. Andrews recommends not throwing a curve "until you shave."

"We need to get the message out to parents and coaches," Andrews said. "With just common sense, these injuries are preventable."

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Overuse because of year-round baseball. Andrews said this is a bigger problem in warm-weather states, but he is starting to see more incidents in the Midwest as pitchers throw on a regular basis at indoor batting cages during the offseason.

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Kids play WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much baseball nowadays

I think high pitch counts are a concern but I'd more concerned about a 169 pitch count that included pitches that require an increase in torque on the arm like curveball or sliders. Straight fastballs and changeups won't kill your pitchers arm. It's the same reason some unconventional deliveries are changed once they get to the pros.

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yes but lots of pitchers back in the day didn't pitch past age 30

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you mean guys like Bob Gibson and Walter Johnson were the exception and not the rule? Say it ain't so!!

(PS - not mocking you, mocking everyone ever who has used those two as examples of why today's pitchers are pussies, which they aren't)

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i like how skip always gets this tag thrown on him like he was the only coach to ever do something like this.

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it's because he had a lot of success with what he did. skip was just trying to win games. and he did.