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re: Skip Bertman does not believe Jeremy Hill will be back
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:03 pm to EarthwormJim
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:03 pm to EarthwormJim
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Bottom line, Hill followed that up with behavior that he should have abstained from. Whatever Miles decides, whether it's suspension or termination is just.
No one disagrees. Expulsion would be harsh IMO, but I could see the reason for it.
I agree, but maybe Miles knows a hell of a lot more than you and I.
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:03 pm to lsufan112001
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i'm not that disappointed, figuring that we'd maybe lose 2 or 3 games this season. it's not like we are in the national hunt like last year. then it would have hurt, like TM7. just M.O.
Wow! Giving up on the season already. The fact is that Hill can domiate a game and be a season changer. He is that kind of back. He is the type of back that can make a difference in SEC Road games. I love Blue and Hilliard. But Hill is a breakout back.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:The voice of reason strikes again.
If Hill weren't already in trouble, he may get a game suspension at most out of the fight. Unfortunately, he was.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:08 pm to LSURussian
Hill isn't getting kicked off the team.
He may miss and game or Two
C'mon people
He may miss and game or Two
C'mon people
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I agree, but maybe Miles knows a hell of a lot more than you and I.
Sure, but my original point was that Miles has all the info possible from both incidents. If he thought what Hill deserved expulsion, then it would have happened by now. Both cases have been resolved.
The only thing left is the probation hearing. So it seems rather evident that jail time is the only thing that will end Hill's time at LSU. And it also seems clear to me that Miles expects the possibility of jail time to be rather small, otherwise Hill would be off the team already.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:09 pm to LSURussian
to put us back on track a bit, I think most sane folks would agree that Miles has justification for booting Hill, or at least suspending him 2-4 games. But, that's a big diff between those 2 scenarios.
I think the point is Skip shouldn't be publicly commenting on something still pending.
I think the point is Skip shouldn't be publicly commenting on something still pending.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:10 pm to The312
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I don't even know what this means. As I have heard it told, someone approached Hill and his friend and verbally insulted them. At that point, fisticuffs ensued. Later, it was the friend, not Hill, who punched the instigator from behind.
IN any event, that sounds like an entirely run-of-the-mill bar fight to me. One big drunk guy talks trash to another big drunk guy, punches result.
You didn't even see the video?
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:12 pm to LSUfan4444
Because clearly the video tells the whole story
There was obviously a fight before the dude got punched by hill and then punched in the back of the head by another guy.
There was obviously a fight before the dude got punched by hill and then punched in the back of the head by another guy.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:15 pm to clamdip
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I think the point is Skip shouldn't be publicly commenting on something still pending.
I haven't heard the exact contents that the comment was made (where did he make them, was he asked a direct question, was he just using Hill as an example of behavior etc), but why should he not give his opinion?
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Bottom line, Hill followed that up with behavior that he should have abstained from. Whatever Miles decides, whether it's suspension or termination is just.
I wholly disagree. Expulsion would be unwarranted. Let's put this in perspective: we're talking about two unrelated misdemeanors. One of those misdemeanors occurred before Hill was ever enrolled at LSU. The other was a routine bar fight that would not have garnered any attention whatsoever had it not involved a football player. Both misdemeanors arguably lack moral torpitude. In one instance, the sexual contact was allegedly consensual and became criminal only because of strict liability statutes. In the other instance, the so-called "victim" allegedly instigated the fight by approaching Hill and casting racial aspersions on him.
Depriving HIll of his LSU career would be to succumb to the hue and cry of ignorant media jackals and aspring muckrakers who want to disengenously portray Hill as a "predator" symptomatic of the "big business" of SEC football. Total poppycock. The facts don't justify that conclusion.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:17 pm to TheDoc
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TheDoc
Stop with your usual dramatic rhetoric of putting words in peoples mouths.
He was commenting on the events of that night without seeing the video...I think at least seeing the video is probably pretty vital for someone to claim Hill's punch was from the result of a routine bar fight or not.
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There was obviously a fight before the dude got punched by hill and then punched in the back of the head by another guy.
None of which has Jeremy Hill where he is today. There may have been a routing bar fight, and Hill may or may not have been involved. What we know is the punch that landed him in this situation was not from a routine bar fight and anyone who saw the video can plainly see that.
It doesn't mean any more than that.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:22 pm to LSUfan4444
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I haven't heard the exact contents that the comment was made (where did he make them, was he asked a direct question, was he just using Hill as an example of behavior etc), but why should he not give his opinion?
Because he's the ex-AD at LSU. If he gave his opinion without any inside knowledge, than doing so could make life more difficult for Les and Alleva by either having to answer questions based on his comments, or looking like they feel the need to comply with his wishes. If he said something with inside info, then he clearly needs to be out of the fricking loop in regards to information from here on out, because there's no way anyone would have told him something like that thinking he'd run his yap and tell the world before the god damned head coach did.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:26 pm to LSUfan4444
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What we know is the punch that landed him in this situation was not from a routine bar fight and anyone who saw the video can plainly see that.
I've seen the video. First, it clearly doesn't capture the entire sequence of events. Second, your characterization of the punch on the video is hyperbolic and unfair.
But more importantly, what do you think a "routine bar fight" is? Do you think that most bar fights involve two gentlemen who saunter out from their respective corners, touch gloves, and then proceed according to the Queensberry Rules while three bartenders use recently sharpened Number 2 pencils to track the 10-point must system? No. In my experience, bar fights usually involve one big guy talking trash to another big guy until people start indiscriminately throwing punches from all angles. Then the bouncers jump in and start pounding arse for the sheer fun of it. There are no rules. It's a melee. I've seen it happen a hundred times. And this is really no different. Hill didn't belly-crawl across the floor, pop up with his Bowie knife, and disembowel some innocent bystander. It's a misdemeanor fight.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:26 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:sigh. i've bolded the parts that you apparently missed. Skip is still an LSU figurehead. He should realize this. He's jumping protocol by even speculating publicly.
I think the point is Skip shouldn't be publicly commenting on something still pending.quote:
why should he not give his opinion
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:29 pm to Moustache
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No, but they don't have depth problems and the RB is a key component of their offense, just as it is a key component of ours.
Bama runs mostly a two-back system and plays other guys sparingly to rest the main two backs. They don't win because of having stupid depth at RB, they win because they have an iron wall offensive line and a stonewall defensive unit. If you're allowing less than 260 yards a game and less than 12 points a game EVERY YEAR, of course you're gonna win a lot.
most systems use two backs now instead of one guy and a backup for rest. Les only used the for horsemen in 2011 because Ware was suspended for a game and we had no big back to replace his snaps. In comes Hilliard and we're now splitting between four.
Miles already said he'd use Copeland as a back if Hill can't go and it's similar to what Bama does with Fowler.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:32 pm to GeauxTigerTM
I understand what you're saying, but I appreciate the candor. I'm not a fan of not commenting on anything. The media is going to ask anyway and people will always hunt for a story.
To me, it's refreshing when someone gives an honest opinion. What's the worst that comes out of this....Miles and Alleva get a few more questions. So what, they can easily say no comment, or say Skip belongs in a looney bin. I think, being directly involved with the situation though, Miles and Alleva giving their opinion now could have a much bigger ripple effect.
Is Skip leaked some sort of private information (on a decision that had already been made), he looses a source. In two weeks it won't matter either way.
To me, it's refreshing when someone gives an honest opinion. What's the worst that comes out of this....Miles and Alleva get a few more questions. So what, they can easily say no comment, or say Skip belongs in a looney bin. I think, being directly involved with the situation though, Miles and Alleva giving their opinion now could have a much bigger ripple effect.
Is Skip leaked some sort of private information (on a decision that had already been made), he looses a source. In two weeks it won't matter either way.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:35 pm to The312
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I've seen the video. First, it clearly doesn't capture the entire sequence of events. Second, your characterization of the punch on the video is hyperbolic and unfair.
Congrats for finally watching. He ducked down to sneak someone...that's not routine. The guy he hit and the guy who eventually knocked him down had obvious signs of a previous struggle, Hill didn't. Maybe he was involved, maybe he wasn't, BUT what happened in the bar doesn't have Hill where he is today. The sneak attack does. If you want to call that routine because you don't want to back down from your previous stance, whatever, we'll just disagree.
How many people not on this video faced criminal charges?
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:36 pm to geauxranger54
Stopped reading at jauquesdoucette.
Probably a BS lie or twisted words. Guys a douche
Probably a BS lie or twisted words. Guys a douche
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:39 pm to LSUfan4444
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Congrats for finally watching. He ducked down to sneak someone...that's not routine. The guy he hit and the guy who eventually knocked him down had obvious signs of a previous struggle, Hill didn't. Maybe he was involved, maybe he wasn't, BUT what happened in the bar doesn't have Hill where he is today. The sneak attack does.
The court treated it like a routine bar fight, a misdemeanor. If the video showed whatever you define as a routine bar fight, then Hill still would have faced the same charges. The "sneak attack" didn't cause this to be a midemeanor, the punch did.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:43 pm to LSUfan4444
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If you want to call that routine because you don't want to back down from your previous stance, whatever, we'll just disagree.
Yes, I'm going to continue to call it a "routine" bar fight because it was, in fact, routine. You seem to be laboring under the misimpression that the majority of bar fights are conducted according to some standard set of published rules.
But if you wish to embellish and bandy about words like "sneak attack" to describe a punch in the middle of ongoing altercation, so be it. By the way, under the law, if you walked up to me and called me a "pussy," then I punched you directly in the face (no "sneak attack"), that would also be a simple misdemeanor. It's misdemeanor battery stemming from a routine bar fight.
In any event, two completely unrelated misdemeanors -- both with putuative mitigating circumstances -- do not warrant expulsion.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 1:47 pm
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