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re: Skip Bayless says Ben Simmons is overrated

Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:29 pm to
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:29 pm to
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Just wait to he gets to the NBA surrounded with with NBA talent and a NBA coach.


im pretty sure everyone agrees on this

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It's not his fault that he has poor coaching


see above
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48012 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:31 pm to
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Simmons gets a lot of his points in transition and cleaning up the boards.





Agreed. He still takes people off the dribble. I was just pointing out the things he does well.
Posted by tiogatiger19
tioga, la
Member since Aug 2005
1513 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:01 pm to
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Stopped right there


No you didnt
Posted by Tigahbader
Nunya
Member since Oct 2014
767 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:33 pm to
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Hey buddy, what year did you graduate again


Class of 84.....did u even go to college?
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2859 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:12 pm to
It's Stephen A. who trashed us the most. He flat out said at the end that good players should never come to LSU based on how we have misused Simmons.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2859 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:16 pm to
You make some good points but no moves off the dribble? Come on be real! He has great moves if he can get a driving lane. But teams know this and make it super hard for him to drive. That's when his lack of a jump shot really hurts.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 11:17 pm
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19724 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 6:51 am to
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then finish at the rim with either hand?


But he only finishes with his right hand. I've seen numerous times where he drives left and forces up an awkward, unbalanced shot with his right hand because he's uncomfortable finishing with his left. Very strange.
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 7:42 am to
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Skip Bayless says Ben Simmons is overrated by PhillyFan1994


Nobody pays attention to this guy.

I think everyone include a lot of folks here thought that Simmons was going to be just like LJ when he jumped straight from high school to the NBA. At least that is the type of hype this kid was getting.
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 8:09 am to
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Skip Bayless says Ben Simmons is overrated


Who rated him?

Did Ben rate himself?

Posted by JJBTiger2012
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
1891 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:11 am to
I'll never say a negative word about Simmons BUT I don't get how his skill set is so appealing to NBA franchises as a #1 pick. He has the size and handles of KD but has yet to develop a consistent shot. On the other hand, those same handles and open court vision turns his focuse away from playing post. I just feel that his size is useless on be perimeter if he can't shoot well. Idk, I wish that he's commit to playing the paint and getting higher percentage shots. I believe that NBA guards will eat him alive and that guard mentality that he has will get him destroyed by NBA bigs.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19724 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:24 am to
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I just feel that his size is useless on be perimeter if he can't shoot well. Idk, I wish that he's commit to playing the paint and getting higher percentage shots. I believe that NBA guards will eat him alive and that guard mentality that he has will get him destroyed by NBA bigs.


this is exactly right. We're all enamored with a 6'10" guy with his handle and athleticism, which is fantastic in transition.

But that doesn't necessarily translate into a dominant basketball player. In half-court sets, his game is quite limited.

His skill set seems misplaced with his body size. Big, strong, athletic NBA big guys will abuse him down low. Smaller, quicker guards will stop his penetration because they won't respect his perimeter jumper, which is non-existent. If he had a good jump shot, he'd be damn-near unguardable.

It'll be very interesting to see how his NBA career turns out, because I'm just not seeing a dominant player here. And if you're not dominant in college, the odds of being dominant in the NBA are certainly lower. Yes, I realize he can improve, but every other NBA player can improve as well.
This post was edited on 2/19/16 at 9:25 am
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
4094 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:31 am to
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I think the point guard/forward trash is stupid. Stop being a pussy and get down there and bang with the big guys. Let the guards be guards.


Magic Johnson says, "Hello!"
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85366 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:37 am to
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If he had a good jump shot, he'd be damn-near unguardable.


and this is why he is so highly regarded

NBA scouts are confident that they can teach him how to shoot a jump shot

its not like his mechanics for a jump shot are horrible, it wouldn't be a hard fix, its mostly a mentality thing for him
Posted by PaulT78
Lake Charles
Member since Aug 2013
454 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:52 am to
He dont have that Dawg in him like other elite players. Too damn passive.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19724 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:59 am to
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and this is why he is so highly regarded

NBA scouts are confident that they can teach him how to shoot a jump shot

its not like his mechanics for a jump shot are horrible, it wouldn't be a hard fix, its mostly a mentality thing for him


I agree players can improve their jump shot, but usually it starts with a guy that actually has some semblance of an outside game. Ben just has NO outside game at all.

To expect him to go from zero to a good perimeter jump shot, when he'll be playing against far better defenders every night, is a bit of a stretch for me. I hope he can do it, but I'm skeptical.
Posted by wilfont
Gulfport, MS on a Jet Ski
Member since Apr 2007
14860 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 10:00 am to
If Ben is overrated then I don't believe that reflects poorly on Ben or his game. The notion of pre determining a player's value before they even compete at a certain level is an outside factor and those making these determinations may well be overrated as experts.

Ben is a damn fine basketball player but he still has a great deal of potential to unlock. It was always unlikely he would reach his full potential in one year at LSU.
Posted by MegaTiger3
League City, TX
Member since Jan 2014
2141 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 10:00 am to
They're right on this one
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