re: Since when did this board become so...

Ipreciateu2 - So because I disagree with you I am a douche bag. Very intelligent logic, you must be a very objective person capable of having a logical debate with someone that might disagree with you.

It is good to see that instead of formulating a response with some reason you decided to resort to insults…once again, clearly the sign of another logical, objective person capable of having an intelligent conversation.

To begin with, I didn't say that the program is not going to maintain its current level, which is 8-10 win a year program. In fact, the title of this thread has to do with the suddenly elevated expectation that Miles is going to NC next year, not whether he is a good coach. Miles is a good recruiter (probably one of the best), so, if nothing else, our talent level will keep us in the 8-10 win range. However, his weaknesses are game management, offensive consistency and development of offensive talent.

1. Clock management - so you consider the problem corrected after one game, then why not go back to the '09 Arkansas game (a week after the OM debacle) where Jefferson & Co. did a great job of running the 2-minute offense. However, here we were again late in the UT game and with 15 seconds left our offense looked lost again, so one game is not a sign that the problem is being consistently addressed. We have not seen good consistent clock/game management out of Miles. Maybe it gets corrected this year, but it didn't happen last off season, so I'm not going to "expect" it to be corrected this year.

2. Do you really think we are going to consistently win 11+ games a year with an offense ranked 90th or below? Not interested in numbers for numbers sake (i.e. Texas Tech under Leach), but we need an offense that can consistently move the football and put 21-27 points on the board if the "expectations" of some people on this board are going to come true.

3. Yes we were lucky to win three games that were decided by one play, and the one-play that made the difference in those games (respectively) had nothing to do with talent, execution or coaching, but were the product of luck. Point being, is that everyone is basing their excitement off of our 11-2 record, however, if "luck" goes the other way we are 7-5, which would have a chilling effect on those expectations. Your 0-12 statement doesn't address that argument, but instead makes a smart arse comment, which is a typical reaction by someone that doesn't have a logical rebuttal to an argument.

4. It would be nice to have a little bit of identity on offense, and would likely lead to a more consistent offensive performance. Instead of being average (to below average) at several offensive formations, why don't we be real good at one style of offense.

5. Again, Miles has been a solid coach and I fully expect him to remain an 8-10 win type of program, but the overall lack of attention to detail and lack of consistency will likely prevent his teams for putting up a 13-0/12-1 type of record.

Hopefully you can pull together some maturity and respond with some counterpoints to create an insightful intelligent conversation/debate on these points. People are going to have different opinions that is what makes message boards fun.

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Anyone who uses the argument that a coach, ANY coach won a championship with someone else's players immediately brands himself as someone who doesn't understand both football and coaching. What is it do you belive exactly? Saban coached those players so good when they were freshmen that they were just on autopilot and needed no more coaching ever? The new coach had only to put them on the field and they would automatically play championship football. Is that what you belive? Really? Yeah I can see where you might know more about football than me and my optimism for next year is totally unreasonable but YOUR opinions are MUCH more realistic. Sheesh.

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I know my post was long, but nowhere have I posted this argument.

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My other favorite nega tactic is the "what if" game. "Oh what if the ball had bounced this way" or "what if this one other play would have happened instead of what actually happened". This means you "ellessuuuu". What grade are you in? Is this really all you've got? What if? Your win loss record contains absolutely ZERO what if's. Your season is ranked on actual results, not what ifs.

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I agree part of football is luck (all great teams get a little bit lucky), but my point is that the difference between 7-5 and 10-2 (regular season) was not controlled by talent, coaching or execution, but by luck. I think the expectations would be a little more subdued if the "luck" had gone the other way.

You are right we are a popular pick, and I hope that prediction is true and will be at every game (until the end) and whatever bowl game we go to. However, based on my own observations, I don't expect those results.

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My other favorite nega tactic is the "what if" game. "Oh what if the ball had bounced this way" or "what if this one other play would have happened instead of what actually happened". This means you "ellessuuuu". What grade are you in? Is this really all you've got? What if? Your win loss record contains absolutely ZERO what if's. Your season is ranked on actual results, not what ifs.

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One more point. You are right there are no "what ifs" listed next to the overall record. However, if we are using record to base our prediction or expectations for next year, then I think breaking down how we arrived at that record is appropriate. When evaluating overall performance (in order to forumulate expectations for next year) there is a difference in going 11-2 and not having any close calls with unranked teams and going 11-2 relying on three "lucky" breaks to beat three unranked teams. In sum, if you are going to use the record to evaluate next year's expectations, then breaking down the W's and L's is appropriate, in my opinion.

Nobody wants to read a diatribe. If you a*****es want to write essays, start your own blog.

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Apparently, most of the delusion centers around the assumption that we are going to win the national title next year

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I don't think anyone hear assumes that we will win. They think it is a legit possibility because we went 11-2 this year, and we return a lot of starters next year with a great recruiting class.

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We lose Peterson, Nevis, and Sheppard on defense

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In case you haven't noticed, we have some stud dbs that are only freshman. We also have good depth on dline and an absolute animal coming in named FREAK Johnson. The only loss that somewhat worries me is Sheppard and its because of his leadership more than his on field play. But leaders can always be replaced.

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We were three plays away from being a 7-5 football team

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In case you haven't noticed, Auburn won some very close games too to inferior opponents. But they still won all their games and are now national champions. I'm pretty sure no one at Auburn is complaining cause they didn't win by enough. A win is a win.

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I know my post was long, but nowhere have I posted this argument.

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No you didn't but the OP did and that paragraph was directed towards him.

Trust me, I did watch the games and I did see the good fortune that befell us this year, and in many other years, but the "what if" game is truly fools gold for those trying to find fault with a season.

My main problem with those who play the "what if" game is that they usually will only "what if" on some late play in the game. How come what ifs only count if they happen at the end of the game. Lets take the NC game for instance. This is one that always gets lumped in by the "whatiffers" with Tenn and FlA. Yeah what if the pass interference woulda been called at the end of the game. Well, what if Ridley hadn't fumbled on our opening drive of the half when we were already in scoring position. Another score would have totally demoralized NC, made the score 37-10 and would likely have resulted in a blowout. Ridley also fumbled when we were running out the clock and gave NC one more chance. Then he did not fumble THE REST OF THE YEAR! Seems like pretty bad luck to me and certainly qualifies as a "what if", as in what if he only fumbles ONE of those times. Take away either on of his only two fumbles on the year and the game never comes down to the end.

All this is to say, if you choose to play "what if" you have to play it both ways, but it seems that those who choose to look at it negatively only look one way, not the other.

This also applies to those who try to use the "what if" game after a loss. Many fans will go to their grave believing that if PP7's interception had not been overruled against Bama in 2009 we would have won that game. That is just as silly and pointless as what you try to do when reimaging our season using your own bias.

So stop using juvenile tactics and formulate better arguments.

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Like I said earlier, if you are going to use record as an indicator as to what to expect next year, you might want to consider how you arrived at that record. There is a difference in winning a game on a two minute drive and relying on a lucky play.

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If you dont think Les Miles has had more "bad luck" to even be in the situations where so called "good luck" is needed...then you dont watch the games...period. It cant be a one way street with the luck stuff.

Please just go to sleep and not display your ignorance anymore...

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So winning 62 games in 6 seasons equates to an "8-10" win a year program? where did you go to school and who was your math teacher?

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in his mind LSU went 7-5 this year...

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So you expect nothing less than a perfect season? 12-0 or nothing?

Because that's what its taken to win the SECW the last 3 years

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It only takes 8-0 to win the West the OC games don't count. I'm kidding, I get your point, but couldn't resist.