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re: Simmons had a bad game and still had a double double
Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:54 pm to cas4t
Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:54 pm to cas4t
You're still missing the point. I am not arguing freshman years, nor careers. I'm saying that for only this season, 2016, there are other college players out there having better years. I don't care about future NBA all-stars, I don't care about lottery picks, what is being done right now, today, to win a college basketball title. While Simmons is having a great year, he is not having the best season in all of college basketball. Some older college player with more experience is tearing it up and leading his team to a conference championship and a big NCAA tournament run. That guy, will win the 2016 Naismith Award for the best college basketball player. Not the guy who has great tools and a great NBA future.
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Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:57 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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he plays like he doesn't care about what the team accomplishes, that whatever they do is just extra on top of his skills tour.
He plays like a fricking freshman who is passive and won't get in the face of his mediocre teammates. If you think that means he doesn't care about the team then that is on you.
If ANYTHING, he cares too much about the team and it shows in his passive play.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:58 pm to Choupique19
I edited to address your point
I think Simmons is the best player in the country despite the team he is on. If he were on an even marginally better team, this wouldn't be a discussion. LSU is mediocre. Put Simmons on UK's team this year and we aren't discussing this.
Not to mention statistically he is having a phenomenal year. 20-13-5 is pretty unreal. He's a top 5 POTY candidate playing on a mediocre team.
I think Simmons is the best player in the country despite the team he is on. If he were on an even marginally better team, this wouldn't be a discussion. LSU is mediocre. Put Simmons on UK's team this year and we aren't discussing this.
Not to mention statistically he is having a phenomenal year. 20-13-5 is pretty unreal. He's a top 5 POTY candidate playing on a mediocre team.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:59 pm to Choupique19
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Michael Jordan didn't pass the ball to Luc Longley when the team needed a basket.
19 year old Ben Simmons was just criticized by not being as selfish as 31 year old Michael Jordan.
I've seen it all tonight. God Bless LSU fans.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:01 pm to cas4t
You've got to scheme for Hornsby to get more than 7 looks.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:01 pm to Choupique19
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many were expecting a Naismith Award winner.
He is putting up significantly better numbers than Buddy Hield, but people love jump shooters. It is what it is.
ETA: And Oklahoma is incredibly good, which helps tremendously with regards to the award.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:02 pm to S
And 5 of them from 3. I know he's a shooter, but he's not just a shooter. Badly coached and played game.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:02 pm to cas4t
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I think Simmons is the best player in the country despite the team he is on
Until he starts knocking down, heck, even attempting, jump shots of even 15 feet he is going to have a tough time claiming that title. How can you be the best player in the country when if the game is on the line in the final possession and you don't even get the ball in your hands (see early season losses and the final possession vs Arkansas).
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:03 pm to cas4t
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the problem is depth down low and coaching.
The problem is that this coaching staff couldn't get this team up for a game against the 10th ranked team in the country. That's the scariest part about all this. WTF
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:04 pm to Choupique19
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While Simmons is having a great year, he is not having the best season in all of college basketball. Some older college player with more experience is tearing it up and leading his team to a conference championship and a big NCAA tournament run. That guy, will win the 2016 Naismith Award for the best college basketball player. Not the guy who has great tools and a great NBA future.
Who is this guy? Lets compare their numbers.
If/when Simmons fails to win the award, it will solely be because of the mediocre results of LSU as a team, not because of his numbers.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:05 pm to slackster
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19 year old Ben Simmons was just criticized by not being as selfish as 31 year old Michael Jordan.
I've seen it all tonight. God Bless LSU fans.
How old was Michael Jordan when as a freshman he knocked down the NCAA Championship winning jump shot in 1982 in the Superdome?
Every team in the country wants the ball in their best player's hands when a basket is needed. In the example I gave earlier, our best player deferred to Darcy Malone.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:07 pm to Choupique19
I'd love to see him shoot the ball but if that's not on coaching as well then idk what is
I have to believe coach K, Cal, izzo etc would be able to develop the kid enough to where he is comfortable shooting a 15 footer. But that doesn't make him a lesser player than a shooter IMO because he does so many other things so well
I have to believe coach K, Cal, izzo etc would be able to develop the kid enough to where he is comfortable shooting a 15 footer. But that doesn't make him a lesser player than a shooter IMO because he does so many other things so well
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:08 pm to cas4t
I agree
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:08 pm to Choupique19
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Until he starts knocking down, heck, even attempting, jump shots of even 15 feet he is going to have a tough time claiming that title. How can you be the best player in the country when if the game is on the line in the final possession and you don't even get the ball in your hands (see early season losses and the final possession vs Arkansas).
Excuse me? You have to hit 15-footers or else you can't be the best player in college? Since when?
Simmons is surrounded by 4 players that can't create their own and are stuck inside of a baffling offensive scheme. It is a small miracle that he gets anything done on the offensive end considering the obstacles that are in his way.
The problem with Simmons is that he needs another Simmons to be the best he can be. Streaky shooters, slightly above average front court help, and miserable team passing are a huge hindrance to his game.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:09 pm to Choupique19
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How old was Michael Jordan when as a freshman he knocked down the NCAA Championship winning jump shot in 1982 in the Superdome
Further proof that Simmons probably should have played somewhere else. Even the greats play for the great teams.
I can't imagine we'd be having this conversation if Simmons were putting up the exact same numbers but were on a winning team with talent/depth.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:10 pm to slackster
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It is a small miracle that he gets anything done on the offensive end considering the obstacles that are in his way.
Kige
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:13 pm to Choupique19
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Every team in the country wants the ball in their best player's hands when a basket is needed. In the example I gave earlier, our best player deferred to Darcy Malone.
LeBron has done it before.
Simmons' game is modeled after LeBron. He often looks for the best basketball play and has moments when he forget that HE is likely the best basketball play.
Someone called out his effort and whether or not he cares about the team's success, but I think the exact opposite is true - he cares too much about getting his team involved.
LSU is at their best when Simmons is aggressive on the offensive end, but Simmons doesn't seem comfortable playing that way. That is understandable from a freshman who seems to have a very low-key personality.
It sucks LSU is struggling as a team, but laying that frustration at the feet of Simmons is poor judgement and pretty pathetic.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:13 pm to slackster
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Excuse me? You have to hit 15-footers or else you can't be the best player in college? Since when?
Simmons is surrounded by 4 players that can't create their own and are stuck inside of a baffling offensive scheme. It is a small miracle that he gets anything done on the offensive end considering the obstacles that are in his way.
The problem with Simmons is that he needs another Simmons to be the best he can be. Streaky shooters, slightly above average front court help, and miserable team passing are a huge hindrance to his game.
I don't disagree with anything in the above post.
But in college basketball one player can put his team on his back and carry them very far (Larry Bird, Danny Manning, Stephan Curry). Even here at LSU, Chris Jackson as a freshman made LSU must see basketball. His freshman year it was him and not much else (still love ya Blanton). CJ had LSU competing for an SEC title and solidly in the NCAA tournament. Ben Simmons just doesn't seem to want to take over a game by himself (actually, he i've seen him do it twice this year vs North Florida and Vanderbilt). Why he doesn't do that more often is puzzling.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:14 pm to cas4t
You pissed me off stating Victor had a bad game. He helped keep the game close making shots in the paint, not from the FT line and didn't have 2 points with 5 minutes left in the 1st half.
Victor actually played with good effort and energy. If he got some help on guys on D he wouldn't have been in foul trouble. Your entire post is suspect due to that. That dude has been extremely solid. This team drives me crazy.
Victor actually played with good effort and energy. If he got some help on guys on D he wouldn't have been in foul trouble. Your entire post is suspect due to that. That dude has been extremely solid. This team drives me crazy.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:17 pm to tirebiter
He had a bad game IMO because he had 2-3 silly fouls in key moments where LSU needed him in the game
That's on coaching as well since he was left in with 3
That's on coaching as well since he was left in with 3
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