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re: Sick and tired of people...
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:39 pm to Mobo03
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:39 pm to Mobo03
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saying to give JJ a break because he is only a sophomore. Here's the deal. I pull for the kid. I really do. I always have. I pull for any LSU QB. But I am sick and tired of the "well he's young and learning" comments. There are plenty of young QB's that are playmakers and make things happen while making dumb mistakes. JJ is not a playmaker. Bottom line. I hate to be that way, but it's the truth.
As all tiger fans will realize, he just isn't a playmaker. I'm sure JJ is a very nice person and quite the athlete. But when you have a playmaker at QB, it changes everything. Mediocre teams can be carried by one position. QB. Horrible teams can be carried by one position. QB. And good teams (which is what we have) can be elevated to untouchable status by one position. QB. JJ is not the answer. It's time to give the even younger QB's a look because we all know that Lee isn't the answer either.
Several callers on the post-game radio show brought this up and I believe that Gordy and Charles discussed it as well. Before the season began, we all thought that all JJ would have to do is manage the offense until he got more comfortable, and not make stupid mistakes that would cause us to lose games. Unfortunately, he doesn't have that luxury anymore, because the rest of the offense isn't able to carry him, so to speak. LSU needs a QB who can step up and make plays....they need him to lead the team on scoring drives. Being a game manager isn't good enough against the teams LSU will be playing from here on out.
I'm not calling for him to be replaced, but I'm starting to wonder if he's reached the limit of what he can do at this point. If that's the case, then Miles MUST do something about it. What harm is there in putting JL or RS into the game for a series here and there, just to keep the defense honest and shake things up? What JJ is currently doing is not going to be enough to beat Auburn, Bama, or Ole Miss. If it's true that the coaches are handcuffing him, then let him loose to see what he can do. If he can't cut it, then open up the QB spot for competition again.
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Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:40 pm to AP83
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Tebow won a championship as a Sophmore.
Tebow is one of the greatest college football players of all time. He is the exception, not the rule. You can't compare many players in the HISTORY of the game to him.
Edit: He was 9-4 as a sophomore actually.
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:43 pm to AP83
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I dont understand why you guys are bashing the post so much. Do you people really feel that Jefferson is the right qb for this team. At this point I dont feel that we have anyone better but he seems to be a less athletic version of Jamarcus Russel. He often looks confused right before the snap , he cant run the option to save his life and he takes way to many sacks. I know the O line has been terrible but you can not take that many sacks, you have to throw it away. I see there being one qb on the LSU roster with a real chance to shine and he probably wont see the field for 3 years and that is Chris Garett.
When you master basic grammar skills come back and bitch about our QB.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:43 pm to CalTiger
Please, give me a break. This argument is now old.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:46 pm to ginms
MighyYat STFU 
didnt realize this was english/grammar class. I know with your superb grammar and typing skills you have a much greater intellect then I on all things LSU.
didnt realize this was english/grammar class. I know with your superb grammar and typing skills you have a much greater intellect then I on all things LSU.This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:47 pm to LazyDaveD
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Tebow is one of the greatest college football players of all time. He is the exception, not the rule. You can't compare many players in the HISTORY of the game to him.
I agree that Tebow can't be the yardstick - he is simply too different.
But we have seen throughout the country - there have been plenty of other QBs who have stepped up and done what was asked.
I am not talking about his passes or hand-offs - I am referring to his ability to scramble or take a few steps to avoid the sack and get a few yards in the process.
The UGA game comes to mind - when he scrambled for 26 yards!!
If you rewatch the Florida game - at least in 3 plays when he was sacked - there was enough of a channel / open space when he could have made a break for it - to gain a few yards at least.
If he is the best that we have for now does it then mean that none of our roster QBs are the 5 star deluxe creme-de-la-creme QBs who are found in the other premier programs?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:48 pm to AP83
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Tebow won a championship as a Sophmore.
you mean as a freshmen and as a junior
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:50 pm to AP83
quote:Uh....no he didn't. When Tebow was a sophmore, LSU won the NC.
Tebow won a championship as a Sophmore.
When Fla won the NC for the 2006 season, Tebow was a freshman but he was not the starting QB. When Fla won the NC last year, Tebow was a junior. At least get your facts straight if you're going to criticize LSU players.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:51 pm to CalTiger
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If he is the best that we have for now does it then mean that none of our roster QBs are the 5 star deluxe creme-de-la-creme QBs who are found in the other premier programs?
We have a five star and two four star QBs on our roster (and Jefferson may have been a five star had he not missed his entire junior season with an injury).
Talent isn't the problem. We don't develop our QBs. Just watch when they come off the sidelines. At the other 11 SEC schools, there is a coach waiting to talk to them, to coach them on whats going on. We don't have that. Until we do, we're going to have bad QB play regardless of the calibur of the athlete standing back there.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:53 pm to AP83
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MighyYat STFU didnt realize this was english/grammar class. I know with your superb grammar and typing skills you have a much greater intellect then I on all things LSU.
If you're going to hold a 19 year old to such high standards than I'm going to hold your ranter arse to the same ones, got it?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:53 pm to Antonio Moss
Ok I will not criticize our qb any more. Lets just all keep the blinders on and everything is absolutely perfect. We have no problems at qb. He scrambles well, runs a great option, and gets rid of the ball in a timely fashion.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:54 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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I'm starting to wonder if he's reached the limit of what he can do at this point. If that's the case, then Miles MUST do something about it. What harm is there in putting JL
Why is everyone so sure that JL has also not reached the limit of what he can do?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:55 pm to Mobo03
At the end of last year I said JJ would lead LSU to a national champioship. I now believe that will not happen with Miles and Crowton calling the shots.
JJ has the potentional to be great if he gets better coaching.
JJ has the potentional to be great if he gets better coaching.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:57 pm to AP83
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Ok I will not criticize our qb any more. Lets just all keep the blinders on and everything is absolutely perfect. We have no problems at qb. He scrambles well, runs a great option, and gets rid of the ball in a timely fashion.
Whose not criticizing?
Our QBs are playing badly because NO ONE IS COACHING THEM.
When you are still failing to step up into the pocket in game six, that is a coaching issue.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:57 pm to Antonio Moss
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Talent isn't the problem. We don't develop our QBs. Just watch when they come off the sidelines.
I guess then the question should have been "Is the LSU program (including recruiting/coaching/executing) devoid of star QBs?"
But someone in another thread has actually shown proper facts/stats about Crowton improving his QBs and Flynn learned from him too. So why is JJ and co not able to do so?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 2:00 pm to CalTiger
How do you guys know it is the coaches. Maybe they beat him over the head about the right things to do every day and come game time he goes brain dead. Maybe he just does not get it. Just because a player fails does not mean the coaches are not coaching him.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 2:00 pm to Antonio Moss
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Our QBs are playing badly because NO ONE IS COACHING THEM.
I really think most LSU fans are simply too simple minded to understand this. Lee and JJ were both highly regarded talents. Neither has gotten better during their college careers.
Why might that be?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 2:01 pm to CalTiger
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has actually shown proper facts/stats about Crowton improving his QBs
Link?
The biggest knock on the guy coming into LSU was his inability to develop QBs. Hence why his offenses always start out great and regress.
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and Flynn learned from him too.
Flynn was a 5th year senior when Crowton got here.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 2:02 pm to Antonio Moss
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The biggest knock on the guy coming into LSU was his inability to develop QBs. Hence why his offenses always start out great and regress.
+1
LSU needs a full time QB coach. We have a TE coach but no QB coach!
Posted on 10/12/09 at 2:05 pm to Antonio Moss
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When you are still failing to step up into the pocket in game six, that is a coaching issue.
Watch the game again and find me a fricking pocket. I watched the Cox replay again last night and every time JJ got in trouble he couldn't step up because T-Bob was being lit the frick up by (insert name here). A few times he was actually be dragged into the back field. I found it funny and sad at the same time.
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