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re: SIAP: Mike Slive cowers down to status quo, changes South Carolina vs. Arkansas
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:32 pm to Tiger Authority
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:32 pm to Tiger Authority
If Bama gets a cream puff like Tennesee every year then LSU should get Vandy as their permanent opponent
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Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:32 pm to Tiger Authority
Slive cowers to logic.
He’s not getting rid of permanent opponents, but a new team is coming to the conference who would rather play Arkansas. Arkansas/USCe has never been appointment television and there’s no real rivalry there. So, being a reasonable conference, we matched up Arkansas with the team they want to play and give USCe the A&M series. So what? That has no bearing on LSU, as the LSU/UF series IS a big rivalry full of memorable games that have defined the conference. And we’re nowhere close to eliminating permanent rivalries.
Personally, I’d hate to stop playing Florida. And if we’re going to have permanent rivals, which I think we should, UF is a perfectly logical one (ending permanently rivalries means ending Auburn-Georgia and Bama-Tenn, two of the oldest rivalries in football).
He’s not getting rid of permanent opponents, but a new team is coming to the conference who would rather play Arkansas. Arkansas/USCe has never been appointment television and there’s no real rivalry there. So, being a reasonable conference, we matched up Arkansas with the team they want to play and give USCe the A&M series. So what? That has no bearing on LSU, as the LSU/UF series IS a big rivalry full of memorable games that have defined the conference. And we’re nowhere close to eliminating permanent rivalries.
Personally, I’d hate to stop playing Florida. And if we’re going to have permanent rivals, which I think we should, UF is a perfectly logical one (ending permanently rivalries means ending Auburn-Georgia and Bama-Tenn, two of the oldest rivalries in football).
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:34 pm to Baloo
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He’s not getting rid of permanent opponents, but a new team is coming to the conference who would rather play Arkansas.
How is that logical? LSU wants to play a rotating schedule or another constant. Why won't he cower to that "logic?"
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Arkansas/USCe has never been appointment television and there’s no real rivalry there.
There is no rivalry between LSU/UF. You think LSU/UGA would be a variant from a television standpoint far different from LSU/UF? No.
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That has no bearing on LSU, as the LSU/UF series IS a big rivalry full of memorable games that have defined the conference. And we’re nowhere close to eliminating permanent rivalries.
No it's not.
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Personally, I’d hate to stop playing Florida. And if we’re going to have permanent rivals, which I think we should, UF is a perfectly logical one (ending permanently rivalries means ending Auburn-Georgia and Bama-Tenn, two of the oldest rivalries in football).
Yeah third tier rivalry with Auburn and UGA. Not a rivalry, just two teams that play a lot. UGA is far bigger rivals with UF and Tech.
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:38 pm to PortCityTiger24
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I like playing UF every year.
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:39 pm to Duckie
Do you like playing UF more than you like increasing your chances to win the SEC title?
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:41 pm to Tiger Authority
Also, the SEC was wise when setting up rivalries to look at historic strength not current strength. LSU sucked in 1992, but got Florida (and Kentucky) as a permanent rival to reflect historic strength. Programs ebb and flow, but we can expect teams to usually play at their historic levels (well, Florida is a new power, but they have systemic sustainability).
Historically, the three best West programs are LSU, Bama, and Auburn. They are matched with the East’s top three: Georgia, Tenn, and Florida. The West’s historic weaker programs, State and Ole Miss, are match with the East’s weak programs of Kentucky and Vandy. This lets the “middle class” play each other.
Now, Tennessee stinks right now but do we think that’s going to continue forever? I doubt it. They will likely return to their historic levels and be the proper counterweight to Bama. It’s about the long view. I think the permanent rivals are perfectly fair, and they preserve tradition and continuity in the conference. Auburn is an eastern school in the West. I may hate them, but we already made them give up the Florida game, it’s unfair to make them give up the UGa game, too.
Historically, the three best West programs are LSU, Bama, and Auburn. They are matched with the East’s top three: Georgia, Tenn, and Florida. The West’s historic weaker programs, State and Ole Miss, are match with the East’s weak programs of Kentucky and Vandy. This lets the “middle class” play each other.
Now, Tennessee stinks right now but do we think that’s going to continue forever? I doubt it. They will likely return to their historic levels and be the proper counterweight to Bama. It’s about the long view. I think the permanent rivals are perfectly fair, and they preserve tradition and continuity in the conference. Auburn is an eastern school in the West. I may hate them, but we already made them give up the Florida game, it’s unfair to make them give up the UGa game, too.
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:42 pm to Baloo
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Also, the SEC was wise when setting up rivalries to look at historic strength not current strength. LSU sucked in 1992, but got Florida (and Kentucky) as a permanent rival to reflect historic strength. Programs ebb and flow, but we can expect teams to usually play at their historic levels (well, Florida is a new power, but they have systemic sustainability).
So you think scheduling based on inequities is perfectly acceptable? LSU plays UF because they want it to be tougher on historically better programs than a team like Ole Miss or Vandy? Makes no sense.
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Historically, the three best West programs are LSU, Bama, and Auburn. They are matched with the East’s top three: Georgia, Tenn, and Florida. The West’s historic weaker programs, State and Ole Miss, are match with the East’s weak programs of Kentucky and Vandy. This lets the “middle class” play each other.
This isn't why we have the structure so I'm not sure why you're discussing it.
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Now, Tennessee stinks right now but do we think that’s going to continue forever? I doubt it. They will likely return to their historic levels and be the proper counterweight to Bama. It’s about the long view. I think the permanent rivals are perfectly fair, and they preserve tradition and continuity in the conference. Auburn is an eastern school in the West. I may hate them, but we already made them give up the Florida game, it’s unfair to make them give up the UGa game, too.
Tenn is the least upside of UGA and UF because they lack a strong instate recruiting base. Why not rotate?
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:44 pm to ipodking
If Florida is so good we'll see them in the SEC Champ game. I hate that they are our permanent cross game.
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:44 pm to PortCityTiger24
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I like playing UF every year
I'd like to have played against Peyton Manning once in his 4 years at Tenn and see UGA more often once a decade or so.
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:46 pm to Tiger Authority
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How is that logical? LSU wants to play a rotating schedule or another constant. Why won't he cower to that "logic?"
Because Arkansas made a request that works within the existing framework, which has been pretty damn successful for the SEC (keep permanent rivals, Arkansas plays different program of same historic quality). LSU is asking to throw that framework out, and has virtually no support to do so. So Slive isn’t going to do it. Nor should he.
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:47 pm to Baloo
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Because Arkansas made a request that works within the existing framework,
Can LSU make the same request? No, because it has nothing to do with logic.
LSU is asking for fairness. That's logic.
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:50 pm to Tiger Authority
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LSU is asking for fairness.
No, we're not. How is the current structure unfair? Teams have a permanent rival of the same relative quality. I don't see how that's unfair. Also, no one really supports LSU's idea.
I would like to see a 9-game schedule, though.
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:54 pm to Tiger Authority
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Do you like playing UF more than you like increasing your chances to win the SEC title?
I am a firm believer that playing tougher opponents makes you better.
And I agree with a 9 game schedule.
But honestly, I don't really care one way or the other.
This post was edited on 5/29/12 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:55 pm to Baloo
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if we’re going to have permanent rivals, which I think we should, UF is a perfectly logical one
are we really a rival to Florida? Tough opponent sometimes sure, but their rivals are UGA and FSU. Note they no longer play Miami.
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Auburn-Georgia and Bama-Tenn, two of the oldest rivalries in football).
Nebraska-OU was as well, but no one is saying AU and UGA should NEVER play again, just not play every year. A home and home every 2 years then off 2 years is not the end of the world.
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:56 pm to Baloo
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No, we're not. How is the current structure unfair?
LSU vs. Florida
Ole Miss vs. Vandy
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Also, no one really supports LSU's idea.
What does this have to do with anything? You think Ole Miss wants to rotate when they get to play Vandy every year?
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:56 pm to Tiger Authority
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Tiger Authority
How about you quit being a little bitch about it.
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:56 pm to Tiger Authority
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What does this have to do with anything? You think Ole Miss wants to rotate when they get to play Vandy every year?
It doesn't help much that UF doesn't support the cause.
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:56 pm to Duckie
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I am a firm believer that playing tougher opponents makes you better.
So we could just play them in the SEC title game if they were so good. And with a rotation, we would still play them, just play teams like UGA and Tenn and South Carolina more.
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:57 pm to Topwater Trout
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Who do you want our common opponent to be?
No one, would be my vote. Rotating two fresh faces every couple of years would be the most equitable way to do it; and the most interesting IMO.
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:57 pm to Tiger Authority
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And he caters to a couple of teams that want second and third tier rivalries. If you told an average fan outside of the SEC that Auburn and UGA is considered a rivalry so we have to change the scheduling structure of the entire league to placate this "rivalry," they would look at you like you just told them a joke.
Since when did we start caring about the "average fan outside of the SEC?" They also think tailgating is cooking 8 hamburgers on a small weber grill 2 hours before the game.
I lived in GA for 5 years, and can tell you for a fact that the UGA/AU rivalry is huge there. They've played that game 115 times (started in 1890's but became annual after WW2). The series record is within 1 win (I think AU is up right now). Most of my friends in GA would rather beat AU than GTech.
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