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re: SI - Justin Fields is LSU's vertical passing threat that would scare Ala for a few years
Posted on 12/23/18 at 12:59 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 12/23/18 at 12:59 pm to Goldrush25
(quote) what evidence is there that this staff can take a quarterback and make him an adequate SEC quarterback?( quote)
They had a Etling for two years and he looked pretty good and Burrow for 1 year so far. Guess we'll find out next year when we see how Burrow develops next year compared to this year. But I would say both for more than adequate and I'll be surprised if Burrow isnt much more than adequate next year
They had a Etling for two years and he looked pretty good and Burrow for 1 year so far. Guess we'll find out next year when we see how Burrow develops next year compared to this year. But I would say both for more than adequate and I'll be surprised if Burrow isnt much more than adequate next year
This post was edited on 12/23/18 at 1:01 pm
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 5:08 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I was actually mainly talking about the mobility part.
Posted on 12/23/18 at 8:03 pm to OhioGrad
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Joe is not Fields or Fromm, but he has maximized his ability and I don't think he has ever taken a play off.
No Fromm? Fromm was 47.1% with 2 INTs against LSU. Funny how those fancy stats take a dive against solid defenses. And Fields has yet to see any meaningful PT.
What's that old line? "Damning with faint praise"?
Posted on 12/23/18 at 9:20 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Come on man, did you see Fromm against Bama the last two years. He was desean Watson. Not as mobile but he was fantastic.
Posted on 12/23/18 at 9:31 pm to Tigerpride18
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Come on man, did you see Fromm against Bama the last two years. He was desean Watson. Not as mobile but he was fantastic.
No. But I saw him against LSU this year, and he didn't look fantastic... he looked overrated.
This post was edited on 12/23/18 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 12/23/18 at 9:39 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Yeah we did a great job against him that day.. No doubt.
Posted on 12/23/18 at 10:17 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Fields threw the ball 42 times at Georgia as a back-up - 69%
Burrow threw 39 times at OSU as a backup - 74%
So, high school stats?
Fields threw (Jr. & Sr. years) for 4187 yards, 41 TDs, 65.8%
Burrow threw (Jr & Sr. years) for 8177 yards, 110 TDs, 72.8%
It ain't the LSU QB, gents.
Not you again. Your claim that Burrow is better than Haskins and JT Barrett should disqualify you permanently from all rational discussions about QB play. Both Haskins and Barrett set OSU and Big 10 records, both were Big 10 MVPs and both were Heisman finalists. Yet you claim Burrow is better than both. Now he is better than Fields too. I thought you had disappeared and gone back to Ohio once your claims were obviously debunked by the play of Haskins and Burrow this year. Go away!
Posted on 12/24/18 at 12:55 am to justustm2
quote:Yes I do. MUCH better passer than Barrett (Barrett ran better) About equal to Haskins as a passer, and much better runner.
Yet you claim Burrow is better than both.
Barett and Haskins had the same WR's. THEY're the record breakers. At least 3 of Ohio State's WRs will be drafted in '19. And several more in '20 and '21.
If Burrow had stayed at OSU and Haskins came to LSU, Burrow would have broken all the same OSU records - just by throwing short passes to a slew of NFL-caliber WR's (like Haskins did). And Haskins would have had the same struggles with LSUs inexperienced WRs.
This post was edited on 12/24/18 at 1:01 am
Posted on 12/24/18 at 1:38 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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And Haskins would have had the same struggles with LSUs inexperienced WRs
Truth
Posted on 12/24/18 at 5:08 am to bencoleman
I guess you can think that if you don't know what your looking at... Haskins arm is NFL caliber. Please don't say Joe's is.
Posted on 12/24/18 at 5:56 am to Tigerpride18
Burrow’s arm is NFL caliper- Haskins has a phenomenal arm but JB’s arm is very good also. Haskins has Ryan Day calling the offense and Kevin Wilson to help..Wilson was also the OC for the Oklahoma record shattering offenses with Bradford and Landry..The Buckeye OL is great at pass protection, watch the film and you will see Haskins had all kind of time to throw the ball. OP is correct that 75% of his completed passes were less than 10 yards and it was the yards after catch..Campbell, McLaurin, McCall, Hill, Dixon, Dobbins could all take it too the house (and did) on the short underneath routes..
The A&M game was the turning point for Burrow- guaranteed that will be the Norm here on out- hopefully the days of 2or 3 receivers only in passing routes are done
The A&M game was the turning point for Burrow- guaranteed that will be the Norm here on out- hopefully the days of 2or 3 receivers only in passing routes are done
Posted on 12/24/18 at 6:04 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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No. But I saw him against LSU this year, and he didn't look fantastic... he looked overrated.
You're basing an opinion off of 1 game? I mean if that's the case, we seen Tua this year, and he didn't look fantastic... he looked overrated.
Posted on 12/24/18 at 6:45 am to UGADawg912
You cant reason with that dude
Posted on 12/24/18 at 7:24 am to TrueTigerTale
I would be very surprised if he doesn’t land at OSU with his connection to Haskins and the success he’s had under Day.
Posted on 12/24/18 at 7:29 am to Tigerpride18
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guess you can think that if you don't know what your looking at... Haskins arm is NFL caliber. Please don't say Joe's is
I don't care if you've got a cannon for an arm if you don't have a left or a right tackle you're going to have problems being successful. There have been plenty of QBs make it in the NFL that weren't known for their arm strength.
Posted on 12/24/18 at 7:35 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Yes I do. MUCH better passer than Barrett (Barrett ran better) About equal to Haskins as a passer, and much better runner. Barett and Haskins had the same WR's. THEY're the record breakers. At least 3 of Ohio State's WRs will be drafted in '19. And several more in '20 and '21. If Burrow had stayed at OSU and Haskins came to LSU, Burrow would have broken all the same OSU records - just by throwing short passes to a slew of NFL-caliber WR's (like Haskins did). And Haskins would have had the same struggles with LSUs inexperienced WRs.
I’m a huge Burrow fan, but Haskins is on a completely different level. Yes, OSU had a much better WR group but Haskins makes throws that Burrow can’t, and Burrow transferred for a reason. Haskins is the best passing OSU QB ever and it’s not close. The only thing Burrow does better than Haskins is run and there’s definitely a wide gap there. Burrow’s also a great leader but Haskins has embraced that role the last half of the season.
Posted on 12/24/18 at 7:44 am to bencoleman
I agree with that. I was just saying, burrows arm isnt strong or even above average. I like him, it's just the truth. Look at the throw against Florida, the pick six. That's the throw that shows the lack of arm strength
Posted on 12/24/18 at 7:55 am to tress4pres
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I’m a huge Burrow fan, but Haskins is on a completely different level. Yes, OSU had a much better WR group but Haskins makes throws that Burrow can’t, and Burrow transferred for a reason. Haskins is the best passing OSU QB ever and it’s not close. The only thing Burrow does better than Haskins is run and there’s definitely a wide gap there. Burrow’s also a great leader but Haskins has embraced that role the last half of the season.
As a Buckeye fan, you must know that every Spring Game, Meyer had an arm strength contest for the QB's. Burrow out-threw Haskins both years that they went head-to-head.
Burrow throws with touch. Haskins throws all fast balls (which seems to thrill announcers and sports writers)
You could make a wing at the NFL Hall of Fame with QB's who were accused of having a "weak arm". Start with Brady and Brees - add Montana - go all the way back to Unitas.
I'm not knocking Haskins. He's an elite QB. And so is Burrow - "and y'all don't even know it!"
This post was edited on 12/24/18 at 8:30 am
Posted on 12/24/18 at 8:01 am to Tigerpride18
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I agree with that. I was just saying, burrows arm isnt strong or even above average. I like him, it's just the truth. Look at the throw against Florida, the pick six. That's the throw that shows the lack of arm strength
Burrow tried to finesse a couple desperation shots late in the Florida game. He NEVER would have thrown those except as a last-ditch effort.
Posted on 12/24/18 at 8:04 am to bencoleman
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And Haskins would have had the same struggles with LSUs inexperienced WRs
Truth
LSU offense is more restricted by our HC and OC than our WRs. Its funny how you O guys want to blame players rather than the guys in charge of coaching up the players.
O hired a guy who failed at being an OC in his past, hadn't been hired to do that job in twenty years, and produces one of the worst offensives in the SEC, but the players are to blame.
Two years, seven losses, and two shitty offensives, but O is to blame for nothing. You guys crack me up.
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