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Seth Davis nails it, and he could probably care less about LSU hoops
Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:44 am
Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:44 am
Will this year be the final year of the Trent Johnson era at LSU? As a LSU fan out here in the northwest, when they hired him my thinking was it would be a good fit, but it doesn't seem to be working.
-- John Hayes, Spokane, WA
I don't do a lot of coach-on-the-hot-seat speculating because it is often baseless, and I'm sensitive to the fact that these are real people whose livelihoods are at stake. But while I hope that Johnson can hang on because I think he is a good coach and a good guy, there is no doubt that his job security is tenuous.
John used the exact right word in his e-mail: fit. Whether a certain coach can succeed in a specific situation depends mostly on how well he fits there. Trent Johnson was born in Berkeley, went to high school in Seattle, played college ball at Boise State and was the head coach at Nevada and Stanford before coming to LSU. He had no ties to the southeast. Not only that, he had just taken Stanford to the Sweet 16. The main reason Johnson bolted for LSU is that the original athletic director who hired him was replaced in 2006 by Bob Bowlsby, and he and Johnson and Bowlsby did not get along. That may have been a good reason to leave Stanford, but it wasn't a good reason to come to LSU.
It also didn't help that Johnson was replacing John Brady, who had taken LSU to the Final Four in 2006. (It shows how badly Brady treated people that despite that incredible accomplishment, LSU fired him just two years later.) If LSU had been simply bad under Johnson that would be troubling enough, but the Tigers have gone 5-27 in the SEC the last two years, and they have already lost this season to Coastal Carolina, Northwestern and South Alabama.
The bottom line is, Johnson has not recruited well enough. Is that because he refuses to cheat? Perhaps. But the bottom line is, a coach is hired to deliver results. I'm hoping like heck that Johnson turns this thing around, but right now there's not much indication that's about to happen.
-- John Hayes, Spokane, WA
I don't do a lot of coach-on-the-hot-seat speculating because it is often baseless, and I'm sensitive to the fact that these are real people whose livelihoods are at stake. But while I hope that Johnson can hang on because I think he is a good coach and a good guy, there is no doubt that his job security is tenuous.
John used the exact right word in his e-mail: fit. Whether a certain coach can succeed in a specific situation depends mostly on how well he fits there. Trent Johnson was born in Berkeley, went to high school in Seattle, played college ball at Boise State and was the head coach at Nevada and Stanford before coming to LSU. He had no ties to the southeast. Not only that, he had just taken Stanford to the Sweet 16. The main reason Johnson bolted for LSU is that the original athletic director who hired him was replaced in 2006 by Bob Bowlsby, and he and Johnson and Bowlsby did not get along. That may have been a good reason to leave Stanford, but it wasn't a good reason to come to LSU.
It also didn't help that Johnson was replacing John Brady, who had taken LSU to the Final Four in 2006. (It shows how badly Brady treated people that despite that incredible accomplishment, LSU fired him just two years later.) If LSU had been simply bad under Johnson that would be troubling enough, but the Tigers have gone 5-27 in the SEC the last two years, and they have already lost this season to Coastal Carolina, Northwestern and South Alabama.
The bottom line is, Johnson has not recruited well enough. Is that because he refuses to cheat? Perhaps. But the bottom line is, a coach is hired to deliver results. I'm hoping like heck that Johnson turns this thing around, but right now there's not much indication that's about to happen.
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Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:46 am to nicholastiger
GFY and come back after the season. Thanks.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:50 am to nicholastiger
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The bottom line is, Johnson has not recruited well enough. Is that because he refuses to cheat? Perhaps. But the bottom line is, a coach is hired to deliver results. I'm hoping like heck that Johnson turns this thing around, but right now there's not much indication that's about to happen.
Has it occurred to you that LSU really isn't that attractive when it comes to Basketball. We've been historically good several times, but at the end of the day nobody is excited about basketball down here. We were lucky that Press gave his son a car to come here or that Collis had birth to a child with a slew of D-1 beasts as friends
shite, I went to the Moo State game last year and their crowd was better than ours were towards the tail end of 08 when we had a helluva team.
I've stopped defending Trent's coaching ability and don't believe he is the best fit, but our fanbase has just as much to do with the state of our program
This post was edited on 12/15/11 at 8:54 am
Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:50 am to nicholastiger
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The bottom line is, Johnson has not recruited well enough. Is that because he refuses to cheat? Perhaps.
So do all other SEC basketball programs cheat?
I do agree with the premise that TJ has no ties here and has taken awhile to find his "fit".
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:01 am to TopWaterTiger
Does LSU still have a basketball team?
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:01 am to nicholastiger
Who is Seth Davis? Why does his nailing (or analysis) that important?
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:10 am to KingHippo
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We've been historically good several times, but at the end of the day nobody is excited about basketball down here
Maybe, but having a winner certainly puts butts in seats.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:11 am to nicholastiger
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It also didn't help that Johnson was replacing John Brady, who had taken LSU to the Final Four in 2006. (It shows how badly Brady treated people that despite that incredible accomplishment, LSU fired him just two years later.)
quit reading after this. point no longer valid.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:29 am to KingHippo
quote:Not trying to start an argument with you, but what is your correlation? Are you making the point that if more fans came to the game, we would have a better team. That better attendence = better recruiting, better performance from our players, worse performance from opposing teams? Because it certainly isn't a money problem. Even then, I'm not seeing a more a more rabid fan base overcoming a 5-27 SEC record. I know you aren't saying that either.
I've stopped defending Trent's coaching ability and don't believe he is the best fit, but our fanbase has just as much to do with the state of our program
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:36 am to alajones
I'm saying that outside of the second coming of Daddy Dale, there aren't many coaches who could resurrect our program
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:37 am to alajones
I'm not Johnson's biggest fan either around here. I wanted him gone earlier this season. However we've won 3 in a row, should win 4. If we are competitive against Marquette and then go on to win several more games and be competitive factor in the SEC, I will sit back for another year.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:41 am to KingHippo
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Has it occurred to you that LSU really isn't that attractive when it comes to Basketball. We've been historically good several times, but at the end of the day nobody is excited about basketball down here.
Spoken like someone who never attended a game in the Deaf Dome when it was rockin. For several years hoops WAS what carried the attention of LSU fans. I can remember attending a game in Tiger Stadium that was probably less than 3/4 full-that nobody cared about. I can also remember as a student sleeping on the ramp of the PMAC to get in to a game with NC in the 80's. The whole BR community as well as the state was LSU hoops crazy. I know we'll always be a football first school. But hoops has and can be very big here.
This post was edited on 12/15/11 at 9:43 am
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:44 am to filmmaker45
Well of course, as long as there is improvement, it is hard to want to fire a coach. But clearly, good coaches can bring programs up. Was Florida a national powerhouse or Tennessee before Bruce Pearl? I mean the lowly schools in the Big East and Atlantic 10 have better basketball programs than us. What makes West Virginia, aTm, and other football schools have so much better of a program than us? It isn't money or facilities.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:44 am to filmmaker45
Trent needs to find a dynamic recruiter for his staff..ala Frank Wilson in football.
someone with ties to the south and the southern aau circuit..especially with the houston hoops program
someone with ties to the south and the southern aau circuit..especially with the houston hoops program
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:47 am to geauxjo
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Spoken like someone who never attended a game in the Deaf Dome when it was rockin. For several years hoops WAS what carried the attention of LSU fans.
That's my pipe dream. I haven't missed a game since 2000. I can't help it that i didn't start going to games until i was in the 8th grade. Dammit, if only my parents had fricked a decade sooner
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:50 am to KingHippo
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at the end of the day nobody is excited about basketball down here.
I have to disagree with you here. People will show up when there's a decent product on the floor. Just a few years ago when Xavier came down here in '08-'09 and the team was playing well, the PMAC was packed to the rafters. It's hard to convince people to come out to watch bad basketball teams in the middle of the week.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:57 am to alajones
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What makes West Virginia, aTm, and other football schools have so much better of a program than us? It isn't money or facilities.
Obviously you haven't been to Reed Arena.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 10:04 am to Brummy
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at the end of the day nobody is excited about basketball down here.
I have to disagree with you here. People will show up when there's a decent product on the floor. Just a few years ago when Xavier came down here in '08-'09 and the team was playing well, the PMAC was packed to the rafters. It's hard to convince people to come out to watch bad basketball teams in the middle of the week.
Agree! A good team will put fans in the seats, plus good competition. Fans are going to come out in the middle of the week for a bad/unranked LSU team vs an unranked instate foe.
I've seen the Deaf Dome get more lively than TS on more than a handful of occasions!
Its more fun too IMHO.Posted on 12/15/11 at 10:05 am to nicholastiger
Where did Seth Davis' comments end and yours start?
Posted on 12/15/11 at 10:07 am to nicholastiger
If Trent Johnson has a another shitty year, he will be fired. There really isn't a lot of debate. That said, we need to let the season play out and see what happens.
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