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re: SEC Head Official Steve Shaw just said.....
Posted on 10/10/11 at 9:20 am to TheDoc
Posted on 10/10/11 at 9:20 am to TheDoc
quote:
LSU better not even look at any bama players funny on November 5th.
If this is a 1 vs. 2 with every eye in the nation watching, I'm willing to be that this will be addressed heavily pregame from the very top
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Posted on 10/10/11 at 9:21 am to DBG
I have officiated basketball. Even though the sport is different, it doesn't change the emotion of the official during a tight game at crunch time. As an official you continue to try and keep your feelings and emotions in check to make the right call, but the humaness does come into play. It's not easy, but it becomes less of a distraction the more you do it and the more experience you have.
I may be an old fuddy duddy, but I think the rule is okay. There's no place for unsportsmanlike behavior in the game.
Even if you don't like the rule, the call was a good call and the right call according to the rule.
I may be an old fuddy duddy, but I think the rule is okay. There's no place for unsportsmanlike behavior in the game.
Even if you don't like the rule, the call was a good call and the right call according to the rule.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 9:30 am to oompaw
quote:
I may be an old fuddy duddy, but I think the rule is okay. There's no place for unsportsmanlike behavior in the game.
I agree. It's a good rule and it was properly called. Every team was shown an NCAA film on what is and what isn't acceptable.
Bunch of crybabies bitchin'
Posted on 10/10/11 at 9:42 am to DamnStrong
quote:
....on 97.3 The Zone in B'Ham that had the fake punt occurred in a "17-14 game in the 4th quarter", that punter Brad Wing would not have been flagged, but would have been given a good talking to by the officials. This pisses me off even more that the freaking flag. Of course Steve, who is a Bama grad & lives in Birmingham, said he had no problem with the flag.
Complete BS. If it is a penalty it is a penalty. It was 14-0 early in the 2nd quarter. The game was in NO WAY over. That call definitely could have affected the outcome of the game. This person should be reprimanded by the NCAA if he actually made that statement!
ETA: I have no problem at all with the call. This was definitely the intent of the rule. I do have serious issues with this guy's response on when it will be called.
This post was edited on 10/10/11 at 9:44 am
Posted on 10/10/11 at 9:47 am to KingHippo
quote:
You have never obviously never officiated any sport at any age level. Game management differs in every game. It's just more subtle in Football than it is in a sport like Basketball so you notice it less.
I think the rule committee should revisit this rule, but it's just like a technical foul in basketball. You can call one in the 1st or 2nd quarter but if the game is close late in the second half it better be something terrible before you stick a player or coach
When you start having rules being subjective.....it just opens up another can of worms entirely.
Especially in football.....with an SEC officials office in Alabama..and head ref being a Alabama Alum.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 9:48 am to DamnStrong
How can a rule be a rule only part of the time?
I hate the SEC administration/refs. They have always treated LSU like a bastard stepchild.
I hate the SEC administration/refs. They have always treated LSU like a bastard stepchild.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 9:50 am to DamnStrong
I suspected as much. It was a "learning moment." It is weird that they would admit it on the radio though.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 9:53 am to Chicken
Weird that he would say that...
No Chicken, not in Bama country....stranger things have happened ...in their favor...of course.....
No Chicken, not in Bama country....stranger things have happened ...in their favor...of course.....
Posted on 10/10/11 at 9:53 am to DamnStrong
I guess what I wish that all conferences would do is 1 of 2 things.
1. No referee or umpire may live within 200 miles of an SEC school, be listed as a donor, or alumni of any sec school.
2. Each sec vs. SEC game tape is evaluated, by officials, and every possible penalty is identified throughout the game. Then the yardages and penalties are called. This is then compared to the actual penalties called and if a ref is deemed to consistantly call lopsided he is no longer allowed to ref those games. The algrithuim will be weighted towards parts of te game with close scores and towards the end of the game.
1. No referee or umpire may live within 200 miles of an SEC school, be listed as a donor, or alumni of any sec school.
2. Each sec vs. SEC game tape is evaluated, by officials, and every possible penalty is identified throughout the game. Then the yardages and penalties are called. This is then compared to the actual penalties called and if a ref is deemed to consistantly call lopsided he is no longer allowed to ref those games. The algrithuim will be weighted towards parts of te game with close scores and towards the end of the game.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 9:56 am to DamnStrong
quote:
had the fake punt occurred in a "17-14 game in the 4th quarter", that punter Brad Wing would not have been flagged, but would have been given a good talking to by the officials.
GTFO
Posted on 10/10/11 at 9:59 am to DamnStrong
I was wondering if the NCAA would send a clip of that to all their refs? The benchmark has been set.
Is this going to go like that "jumping on the deep snapper" penalty that gave Aubbie a second chance to kick a few years ago?
Call it once and then they never call it again the entire year.
Is this going to go like that "jumping on the deep snapper" penalty that gave Aubbie a second chance to kick a few years ago?
Call it once and then they never call it again the entire year.
This post was edited on 10/10/11 at 10:00 am
Posted on 10/10/11 at 9:59 am to LSUtigersarefun
quote:
lsuhack
Awesome idea.
But for the time being....I guess on Nov. 5th, LSU just has to compete against the refs just as much as the Gumps and try to score regardless. God forbid they try looking in anyone's direction and move their arms when running into the end zone ever again!
Posted on 10/10/11 at 10:23 am to DamnStrong
Unfreakingreal. So it is a conditional rule based on the score of the game? Any other conditions?
WTF!
WTF!
Posted on 10/10/11 at 10:34 am to DamnStrong
quote:
I can't stand Jay Barker
Ah nah Barker gets a pass from me because he gets to regularly bang Sara Evans
Posted on 10/10/11 at 10:39 am to Weaver
quote:
2008 nothing to speak of at auburn.
I still can't believe they didn't throw a late hit flag on that last play. I think that we were all waiting for it.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 10:47 am to RealityTiger
quote:
I'm glad you posted this because it goes exactly with what my comment has been since the moment it happened - that SEC refs would swear and be damned not to let LSU be blowing Florida out 21-0 in the first half on a trick play.
The really crappy thing is that it wasn't a designed trick play. Wing took off on his own when he saw that the defenders were all running the opposite direction. Miles didn't call the play.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 7:01 pm to TheDoc
quote:
The rule says "egregious"
The very fact that it is that vague, the rule should be cast away.
I don't think egregious is specified in that rule.
Here is the actual rule:
Rule 9
SECTION 2. Unsportsmanlike Conduct Fouls
Unsportsmanlike Acts
ARTICLE 1. There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct or any act that
interferes with orderly game administration on the part of players, substitutes,
coaches, authorized attendants or any other persons subject to the rules, before
the game, during the game or between periods. Infractions for these acts by
players are administered as either live-ball or dead-ball fouls depending on
when they occur.
a. Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
1. No player, substitute, coach or other person subject to the rules shall
use abusive, threatening or obscene language or gestures, or engage in
such acts that provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to game
officials or to the image of the game, including but not limited to:
(a) Pointing the finger(s), hand(s), arm(s) or ball at an opponent, or
imitating the slashing of the throat.
(b) Taunting, baiting or ridiculing an opponent verbally.
(c) Inciting an opponent or spectators in any other way, such as
simulating the firing of a weapon or placing a hand by the ear to
request recognition.
(d) Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which
a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or
themselves).
(e) An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches
the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.
(f) Removal of a player’s helmet before he is in the team area
(Exceptions: Team, media or injury timeouts; equipment adjustment;
through play; between periods; and during a measurement for a first
down).
(g) Punching one’s own chest or crossing one’s arms in front of the chest
while standing over a prone player.
(h) Going into the stands to interact with spectators, or bowing at the
waist after a good play.
PENALTY—Live-ball fouls by players: 15 yards. Live-ball fouls by
non-players and all dead-ball fouls: 15 yards from succeeding
spot
Posted on 10/10/11 at 7:08 pm to HoustonRes
the back judge lost his fricking mind
Posted on 10/10/11 at 7:23 pm to HoustonRes
quote:
(e) An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches
the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.
I guess that's that
what a shitty rule though
Posted on 10/10/11 at 7:29 pm to LSUtigersarefun
quote:
I guess what I wish that all conferences would do is 1 of 2 things.
1. No referee or umpire may live within 200 miles of an SEC school, be listed as a donor, or alumni of any sec school.
2. Each sec vs. SEC game tape is evaluated, by officials, and every possible penalty is identified throughout the game. Then the yardages and penalties are called. This is then compared to the actual penalties called and if a ref is deemed to consistantly call lopsided he is no longer allowed to ref those games. The algrithuim will be weighted towards parts of te game with close scores and towards the end of the game
For suggestion #2, something pretty close to that happens already. The crew is graded by former NFL and D-1 officials after every game. The point system used for this grading helps determine, among other things, promotions, bowl assignments, and game schedules for the next season. Also all SEC member schools can send in videos after each game of either penalties that they felt were incorrectly called and/or plays were a penalty should have been called. The conference then goes through the tape and sends the school a explanation of why the calls were/were not made, or they issue an apology to the school (if they see a pattern of the same official involved in "questionable" plays; his time with the SEC will come to an end).
As for suggestion #1, I don't know that any of that stuff will (or even should) be implemented but the SEC doesn't allow alumni to call any of their schools games.
As a baseball umpire that calls for a major D-1 conference, I can tell you it's a tough profession...you are being second guessed on every single decision you make but you only have a split second to make that decision.
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