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Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:30 pm to cardoin
Not an O fan at all, but that list is bad for so many reasons.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:31 pm to ibldprplgld
quote:I’ve seen so called nega tigers predict the team to have a really good year. I hate orgeron and think they should win at least 10 games. Many other nega tigers have predicted a good to great year. I don’t see why any of us wouldn’t post if they had a great year.
Yes, they are dumbasses.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:33 pm to Solo Cam
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It’s embarrassing that we’re arguing on whether or not our coach is better than Vandy and Ole Miss’s coaches.
Its just a list based on opinion, nothing more. Not an arguing point relative to Vandy or Ole Miss.
But you are right that he will get a chance to prove this opinion right or wrong.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:34 pm to ibldprplgld
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But let's hold the press on how his story unfolds at LSU based on how he did at OM over a decade ago. It's like no one in the history of the human race has ever improved at his job after taking some lumps.
The issue is, Gene Stallings is the only coach to have a poor record in the ballpark of Orgeron's at his first job and re-emerge to win a national championship at another job. And Stallings at least won a conference title at A&M.
Orgeron improving as a head coach from his time at Ole Miss and improving LSU to a championship caliber program again are two different things.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:35 pm to Morecowbell
I stopped reading when i saw Mullen at 3rd
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:35 pm to cardoin
1-13: Idk
14. Edward O
14. Edward O
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:36 pm to nvasil1
My list:
1. Saban
2. Smart
3. Mullen
4. Fisher
5. Malzahn
6. Muschamp
7. O
8. Morrhead
9. Odom
10. Morris
11. Mason
12. Pruitt
13. Stoops
14. Luke
I think 8-14 could damn near go in any order. Too much inexperience there to make a meaningful list.
Idk why Barry Odom gets shat on. He's doing decent for what Missouri is capable of. Granted they lost 5 in a row last year, they won six in a row beating Florida (not 17-16, but 45-16), Tenn (50-17), Ar-Kansas, and Vandy - that's a pretty good ending to the season for Missouri. I would imagine Odom had a lot to do with their mid-season turn-around... he is the head coach, ya know.
1. Saban
2. Smart
3. Mullen
4. Fisher
5. Malzahn
6. Muschamp
7. O
8. Morrhead
9. Odom
10. Morris
11. Mason
12. Pruitt
13. Stoops
14. Luke
I think 8-14 could damn near go in any order. Too much inexperience there to make a meaningful list.
Idk why Barry Odom gets shat on. He's doing decent for what Missouri is capable of. Granted they lost 5 in a row last year, they won six in a row beating Florida (not 17-16, but 45-16), Tenn (50-17), Ar-Kansas, and Vandy - that's a pretty good ending to the season for Missouri. I would imagine Odom had a lot to do with their mid-season turn-around... he is the head coach, ya know.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:36 pm to justice
As they should. But there is going to be a healthy contingent of the, "yeah, but he's still O" crowd.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:41 pm to cardoin
LOL!!!
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:41 pm to ibldprplgld
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Not sure how you can rank coaches who haven't coached a single game at their current school ahead of others who have.
So Mullen gets ranked behind O and Stoops? What they have done in the past is a consideration. Moorhead has a successful run at Fordham. That should get factored in for what it is worth. Now, if they had never been a head coach anywhere in college ball, like Pruitt, you have a point.
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Granted those were some giant lumps for O at OM, but it was also OM.
No one in college football history has made that big of an improvement. I hope O is the first, but the odds are not in LSU's favor.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:43 pm to nvasil1
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Orgeron improving as a head coach from his time at Ole Miss and improving LSU to a championship caliber program again are two different things.
I agree. The task may be insurmountable. However, the list is flawed in so many ways and merely the opinion of its author. LSU did not hire the guy I wanted. Maybe they could not have-- we will never settle that debate. But, we have O as coach. I don't care about his rank on this list. I do care about the Ws and Ls LSU puts in the record books this year.
Keep rooting for O to succeed on the recruiting trail. That way, even if he fails with his record, the next coach will have talent. Meanwhile, I'm rooting for an undefeated season... even if that proves to be an insurmountable task.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:45 pm to cardoin
That's an indictment of how shitty the SEC has become.
A coach who just went 14-10 in the ACC in his most recent 3 seasons while having at the very least the 2nd most talented team is named 2nd best coach in the SEC. Wow !!!
A coach who just went 14-10 in the ACC in his most recent 3 seasons while having at the very least the 2nd most talented team is named 2nd best coach in the SEC. Wow !!!
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:46 pm to Macavity92
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So Mullen gets ranked behind O and Stoops? What they have done in the past is a consideration. Moorhead has a successful run at Fordham. That should get factored in for what it is worth. Now, if they had never been a head coach anywhere in college ball, like Pruitt, you have a point.
You are correct. I should qualify my original statement not to current school, but to within the conference. Mullen had success at MSU, and I think he'll do well at UF if he ever figures out recruiting there.
Any new coach in SEC should have a previous record in another conference viewed with a grain of salt. This league, and this division in particular, is just on another level.
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No one in college football history has made that big of an improvement. I hope O is the first, but the odds are not in LSU's favor.
I tend to agree with you, but I'm not ready to write him off as a failure, yet. This season is a gut check season for him. He has no excuses. Tough schedule or not, you have to compete in every game. 8-4 wasn't good enough for Miles, and it shouldn't be for O, or any coach at LSU.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:46 pm to Alt26
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The bottom line is that outside of South Louisiana O is viewed as a cartoon character by college football fans and he has yet to put significant skins on the wall to gain respect.
Why limit this to outside the state? You know there are many of us Louisiana natives who ALSO find him to be a caricature?
This is part of the problem and why national media acted as if locals were clamoring for him...the whole "one of us" mantra.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:47 pm to beauxroux
That's a hell of a post beaux. Very well done and I don't see how a single LSU fan could disagree.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:50 pm to cardoin
Nega Tigers on Rocky Top Talk too.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:50 pm to Tiger Ree
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A coach who just went 14-10 in the ACC in his most recent 3 seasons while having at the very least the 2nd most talented team is named 2nd best coach in the SEC. Wow !!!
I personally don't understand the love affair CFB has with Jimbo. He had one impediment to winning the ACC every year at FSU -- Clemson. He had more talent than them (top 5 nationally ranked recruiting classes every year). And yet, outside of the Winston years, he was pedestrian. He also had some real head-scratcher losses to unranked teams while there.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:57 pm to cardoin
This is a testimony as to how others out side see our situation. how can you be surprised?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:57 pm to nvasil1
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Muschamp and Orgeron are interchangeable really. Both sucked at their first jobs.
Muschamp at least made a Sugar Bowl and won SEC coach of the year at his first job.
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O lost to Troy, and Muschamp lost to a D2 school that didn't complete a forward pass.
Not really a favorable comparison for Orgeron since Troy happened at his second job.
O would've won that division that muschamp won with last year's lsu.
Regarding the bad losses, you're right that they aren't comparable. Muschamp lost to an fcs school. That didn't complete a forward pass.
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