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re: Screw Seniority, Play The Best Talent

Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:33 am to
Posted by lion_pride13
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:33 am to
Will never not agree when it comes to playing the young guys and giving them much needed reps if the potential and flashes beat out the current talent. As bad as the Bo Pelini 2020 defense was at the start of the season, it did give young guys like BJ Ojulari and Cordale Flott the opportunity to launch up to their potential on the field. Granted, that was partially due to the departure of all our guys on the 2019 team, but this team could be the same. There was a lot of good in Ashton Stamps and I think there can be a lot of good in PJ Woodland and Deshawn Spears. I'm not saying these guys are SEC Freshman of the year caliber nor will they be the next Derek Stingley, but not giving them those snaps doesn't help. Major Burns has shown who he is and it blows my MIND that the staff cannot clearly see who Sage Ryan is when we as fans have seen who he is since he showed up on campus! Major Burns got 63 snaps playing in that star roll and Ryan got 54 snaps playing with his eyes closed at corner (he isn't a corner, wasn't recruited as a corner, remind me why he is at corner). Distribute the snap count and give the freshmen something to look at on the field.

The last drive of the game shows an overarching story that may come up throughout the season but overall compared to last year it wasn't horrible. Kaleb Jackson still has time to grow, but we can definitely expect Durham to get snaps now that Emery is out. My prediction, however, is that this offensive line got bailed out by Jayden too many times to properly execute against a full force in the box. Campbell and Jones are great but this is not a top five line in college. It sure LOOKED like one when the linebackers and edges expected our quarterback to bolt for 20 yards down field when pressure came, but not when we have a pocket passer behind center and a run game that needs establishing. Lastly on my lengthy rant, why didn't Shelton Sampson get a single snap? I might have missed something if he was injured but is you're down Hilton and have a QB that needs to get the ball out quick or he'll chuck it to the second row AND loves to distribute (Taylor had 7 rec, Lacey had 7 rec and Anderson had 5 rec), then why not put our 6-4 redshirt freshman out there?

Just a thought, but what do I know? I'm no coach.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:59 am to
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Then explain Sage Ryan getting snaps over Woodland or Stamps


Stamps started and is our #1 corner. Sage didn’t play over him. And Woodland played in some critical times. They obviously love him—most coaches wouldn’t have put a non-Stingley true freshman in that game at all. (But I’ll come back to this, because I do think you have a point.)

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Or Penn getting snaps over Weeks.


If you’re talking about Whit Weeks like I think you are, he plays a different position than Penn. He plays the same position as Perkins. Unfortunately they have very similar skill sets, so it’s hard to have them both on the field at the same time without giving something up. If they’re the only 2 LBs on the field, teams will run all over us. If we play 3 LBs, we’re taking a DB off the field and becoming even more of a liability in defending the pass. We have a hard enough time defending it with the number of guys we have out there. Take one off the field, and it could be rough.

But, to one of your points, they are 2 of our best playmakers, and Baker has to figure out how to get both of them on the field as much as possible.

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1 drive of football is all it would take you to tell who the better football players are.


This is where people like you (but I think you’re much closer to having the right idea than them, a lot is just semantics) lose me. “More talented” doesn’t always equal “better.” Woodland, Spears, and Kylin Jackson (for example) are all more talented than the guys in front of them. And Johnson and Toviano are more talented than Burns. They all have higher ceilings. But that doesn’t mean they are currently “better” football players Week 1 of the season, just that they likely will be eventually. When? Who knows? Some will be ready earlier than others. And it doesn’t matter how great they look in camp, the coaches don’t know how they’ll react under the lights in prime time. I takes time to build that trust to prove they are not only more “talented,” but indeed “better.”

But you make a good point about playmakers. BK said this wasn’t gonna be a bend, but don’t break defense. They would be aggressive and create explosive plays (turnovers, TFLs, sacks). A lot of that is by necessity—we just don’t have the horses inside (DT and LB) to just beat teams straight up. We are going to have to take chances. Now, it looks like our DTs aren’t as bad as we thought, and I thought Jones and Swinson played the run very well from the edge. Penn was not good, but were lucky that USC’s OL is not very good and their RBs are average, so they couldn’t really take advantage and run the ball on us like some of the SEC teams we face are likely going to be able to.

So we wound up looking more “bend but don’t break,” but I don’t think that’s gonna be this defense’s identity. We’re gonna have to blitz from different spots, show different looks, and try to confuse OLs and QBs. Gonna have to do some run blitzing on early downs. But that aggressiveness comes with risk. If we don’t get home and either sack the QB or make him rush a bad throw, we’re gonna give up some long plays. Which is fine if 1) we tackle well and don’t let 25 yard completions turn into 50 yard ones, and 2) we force fumbles, make interceptions, and get teams in 3rd and really longs.

But we have to have playmakers to take advantage of those. Like Sage Ryan is simply not a playmaker. He’s usually in decent coverage and around the ball, he just has zero ball skills. Rarely has a PBU, and I don’t think has a single interception his entire career. But the coaches currently trust him to be where he’s supposed to be mostly. However, we need a playmaker there, and I don’t think it will take long before one of the more “talented” younger corners proves to be “better” as well. But they probably weren’t Sunday night.
Posted by extremelsu
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:03 am to
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This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 10:05 am
Posted by extremelsu
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:04 am to
Im still so butthurt.
seeing freshman and sophomore make plays will be my copium until the ole miss game
Posted by Hot Carl
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:21 am to
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It has become a theme at this point. BK needs to put talent first.


I agree. Time to put Hurley in for Nuss.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:24 am to
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Screw Seniority, Play The Best Talent
Some narratives never go away.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
67028 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:29 am to
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Some narratives never go away.


I quit watching Jordy after he constantly harped on this week after week last year. Muh you have to play the best players.

Then the names he was calling for would get destroyed and he'd start it up again for other players.
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 10:30 am
Posted by GeauxGutsy
Member since Jul 2017
5884 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:35 am to
Too young

Our 4-5 star athletes forget how to play football until they’re juniors

Meanwhile at Bama…..
Posted by Reece Bobby
Member since Sep 2024
397 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 12:42 pm to
B/c they've shown that sometimes they'll play a veteran over a freshman star. Case in point last year playing Speights over Whit Weeks who was CLEARLY the better player last year.
Posted by crowbar832001
Member since Dec 2008
3664 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 12:49 pm to
lol dude talk about Lacy but Lacy ate their lunch in first half and the coaches were too stupid to not get Lacy the ball in the second half. This isn’t a player issue. This is a coach issue. Sloan is in over his head. He is an La Tech level coach.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
67028 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 12:51 pm to
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B/c they've shown that sometimes they'll play a veteran over a freshman star. Case in point last year playing Speights over Whit Weeks who was CLEARLY the better player last year


What is the benefit of doing that?

Kelly has also shown that he isn't afraid to play true freshmen, if they are indeed the best players at their positions.
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
12772 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 2:04 pm to
It’s crazy how our young talent takes two to three years minimum to become serviceable on the field unlike the Alabama’s, UGAs, and Ohio St’s of the world. One can only dream.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
67028 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 2:07 pm to
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It’s crazy how our young talent takes two to three years minimum to become serviceable on the field unlike the Alabama’s, UGAs, and Ohio St’s of the world. One can only dream


I don't think this is necessarily true.
Posted by Lptigerfan
Jeff Davis Parish
Member since May 2015
813 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 2:11 pm to
People do realize that someone can be the better talent, but not understand the scheme and assignments and that can make them a liabiltiy, right?
Posted by jgriffith
Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
6728 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 3:39 pm to
This program is not on the rise.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35774 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 3:47 pm to
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Why do people like you and Jordy assume coaches aren't putting the best players on the field?

Because Major Burns cannot be the best player. He just can't be.
Posted by Johnarthurb15
Member since Jul 2016
91 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 4:03 pm to
Oh please, just because he was rated a three star by a bunch of guys who never played a down of college football doesn’t mean shite.
Posted by KennytheTiger
bella vista ar
Member since Apr 2012
469 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 5:41 pm to
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It has become a theme at this point. BK needs to put talent first.


I agree. Time to put Hurley in for Nuss.
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What? Big NO on that.

Nuss played pretty well until the finally series.
Posted by KennytheTiger
bella vista ar
Member since Apr 2012
469 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 5:44 pm to
This program is not on the rise.
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Neither are you as a poster. Yet here you are.

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