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re: Rumblings of some major players to the portal

Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:14 pm to
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:14 pm to
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Obviously, Woodward didn't have faith in O's ability to right the ship. When that happens... then it is the time.


once again comprehension is an issue. When has a coach been fired midseason and retained until the final game and what is the benefit in doing so? How is this better for LSU than firing him after A&M? We can't hire anybody worth a damn (a coach currently with a job)until the season is over. SW could still be conducting a search while having a HC since we aren't formally interviewing anyone one during the season.

Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:14 pm to
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Also Walker Howard isn't 100% LSU anymore.


This is how I know you are FOS.

His aunt says he’s solid Purple and Gold.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28915 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:15 pm to
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Ricks, BJ, Emery etc

Also I expect defensive players to transfer if our new HC brings in a DC that runs a 3-4. Is what it is
OP hasn't heard shite he is just using common sense.

Everybody with sense could guess Emery leaves after not being able to play this year. Emery could ball out at Arkansas or a lower level school in Louisiana

Defensive players that haven't played after being here for 2-3 years could also leave. Offensive lineman like Kardell and others that have been here multiple years and haven't done anything, could also leave.

WRs like Deion Smith who has barely done anything since McNesse and is a Mississippi boy, could go to either Mississippi school because both need WRs and run good passing offenses. Hilton hasn't done anything either (although I hope he stays), could leave for a easier spot to play). Haven't heard anything from Adams, Palmer and Lee are on the outside looking in at receiving spots, and Kirklin only has the extra year given to him by the NCAA for covid.

Even though I don't expect it, even Kiner and Goodwin aren't locks. Kiner is up North and after the year Walker is having at Michigan St, I could see him wanting to go back up north to play for a school and coach on the rise.


Me personally, I expect several big names to leave. I don't expect guys who are already starters to leave though.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:16 pm to
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lsu2006


lets see if you can answer...

What is the benefit of firing O midseason and retaining him as HC until the end of the season?
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10452 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:18 pm to
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Slightly different situation,
Yeah 2016 was still a team.
This was a program that knew only winning seasons this century that Ed shite the bed with, and let him lay in it.
Likely nobody on staff really wants this mess.
Posted by MNCTigah
Member since Oct 2011
191 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:19 pm to
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When has a coach been fired midseason and retained until the final game and what is the benefit in doing so?


PR comes to mind...

There are stats available on mid-season firings (aka long tenured coaches of 4 years or more).

Generally an interim would be appointed, unless the AD feels that it exacerbates the problem.

ETA: It avoids a Les Miles situation developing with a win over A&M or the like.

I interpret the lack of an interim to mean it all gets flushed. Aside from our lack of a qualified candidate, an interim by default "usually" is an extension of the current culture, which an AD may be trying to change. And then the possibility of public support for the interim if he wins a couple of games...
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 5:56 pm
Posted by komodo
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2006
423 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:21 pm to
Walker gonna wait till coach is announced before making that decision.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40081 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:23 pm to
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What is the benefit of firing O midseason and retaining him as HC until the end of the season?


I'm not sure there's much benefit or detriment either way. The season is lost. I would say this scenario probably limits the chances of Ed running his mouth and spilling the beans about the numerous investigations to which our athletic department is currently subject. Keeps both sides on decent terms and keeps Ed's mouth shut for the foreseeable future. What would be the benefit of sending him packing now and making someone like Raymond or Mickey Joseph the interim for 5 games, when we all know we're cleaning house after the season?
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 3:25 pm
Posted by Neil11adams
Houma La
Member since Nov 2017
9 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:24 pm to
No I actually said players are talking amongst themselves and the overwhelming majority are excited because they were recruited hard by JIMBO.
That has nothing to do with some transferring out. I won't say names because idk which players. i was just told some of the young studs will be entering the portal.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
22156 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:24 pm to
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Woodward, need to get that coach in place asap.


Where do you reckon he would get one right now?
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
18748 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:24 pm to
If they don’t even wait to see who the next coach is then they can go. I thought the players didn’t care for O anymore? So which is it?
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
15193 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:25 pm to
May you awaken tomorrow with diamonds, emeralds and rubies...in your gallbladder.

Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69476 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:25 pm to
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PR comes to mind...


any proof that this is good or bad PR? Who do we ask recruits?

quote:

Generally an interim would be appointed,


and if there isn't one I think most AD's would wait to announce the coach is fired.

I am still trying to figure out one good reason it was done this way...and no one can answer
Posted by Tigers1868
Member since Nov 2021
55 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:26 pm to
I hope not
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69476 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:27 pm to
all you can come up with is conjecture to support the decision to fire and retain the guy you fired...
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31934 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:30 pm to
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if there isn't one I think most AD's would wait to announce the coach is fired.


Or do it midseason to let everyone know that the HC won’t be returning. Everyone could see the writing on the wall, now we have a decision and a definitive end point.

Further, just like was previously mentioned, if there isn’t a qualified person to be interim, which could exacerbate things, you’d have to go with what was already done. Those are the options.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40081 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:30 pm to
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all you can come up with is conjecture to support the decision to fire and retain the guy you fired...


Like I said, I really don't think there is much benefit or detriment going this route. But there is undoubtedly a lot of information that O has on LSU and vice versa that neither party wants to get out. What would be the benefit of having an interim for 5 games when we're cleaning house anyway? Are you under the impression that that would keep us from losing any players?
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:31 pm to
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nce again comprehension is an issue. When has a coach been fired midseason and retained until the final game and what is the benefit in doing so? How is this better for LSU than firing him after A&M? We can't hire anybody worth a damn (a coach currently with a job)until the season is over. SW could still be conducting a search while having a HC since we aren't formally interviewing anyone one during the season.





My guess remains in the 15-20 range to hit the portal (with 3-5 starters), already counting 4 with Taylor. I don't think it will be as bad as Tennessee as there isn't going to be as many pure numbers to play around with.

A whole new roster management game. Major rebuild, come back in 4-5 years.
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 3:33 pm
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
15193 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:32 pm to
Anyone who wants to leave, so be it.

Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28915 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:39 pm to
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How do you know they were leaving?

Not knowing who their coach/position coach/offensive & defensive philosophy is a big deal to most kids. If he was fired after the last game and a new coach hired in a week the new coach would have a better opportunity to come in and keep the kids

This is idiocy. There are freaking transfer rules set in place now that a kid can leave with no consequences and play immediately, and a coach can have up to 7 EXTRA transfer recruits on top of the 25 or whatever he recruits from the high school ranks depending on his transfers out.

Let's say you only fill 22 of that 25. Well you can use the other 3 on transfers and up to an additional 7 depending on who many guys transfer out of your 7.

I'm saying all this to say that a kid can wait til the coach is announced and listen to his appeal, then if they decide to go, this year is like the wild west where they could go just about anywhere because of the extra spots, and be eligible immediately. Those kids will have all the offseason practices at whatever school they want even if they wait til after national signing day.
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 3:40 pm
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