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re: Rudy Macklin's Take On The Situation
Posted on 8/27/11 at 8:56 am to Eighteen
Posted on 8/27/11 at 8:56 am to Eighteen
None if this would have happened if they had not broken curfew or been out at a bar. If you go to a bar as a college athlete or an NFL athlete you are guaranteed to be around people who are looking for trouble. If you go then you face the consequences. They should have walked away knowing their place as college athletes and how stupid drunk people in a bar can behave. It's just the way it is.
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Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:00 am to aglandry
No Hebert said that and then responded after being asked how can he be so sure, I cant get go that far.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:01 am to TexasTiger08
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Taxpayer dollars at work guys...why solve a murder in North BR when we can solve a fight in Tigerland?
You are aware that PDs usually have different divisions/task forces, right?
What makes you think they aren't working on solving murders in North BR (which, since witnesses aren't real likely to come forward, are usually more difficult to solve anyway)?
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:12 am to BigD45
The state of the "alleged" injury (broken vertebrae), and the action taken (kicking someone in the head while they were already down and defenseless),changes the whole situation. If it was just a simple "bar fight" as Rudy supposes, two guys took a few punches at each other and then walked away with a bloody nose or lip, nothing would have probably come from it.
The sustained injury and the way in which it occurred elevates the whole situation from disturbing the peace or simple battery to 2nd degree, a serious charge.
The sustained injury and the way in which it occurred elevates the whole situation from disturbing the peace or simple battery to 2nd degree, a serious charge.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:25 am to TexasTiger08
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Taxpayer dollars at work guys...why solve a murder in North BR when we can solve a fight in Tigerland?
You can't solve a murder in North BR where I grew up if the witnesses won't talk to the police.The only people in North BR who can clean up the crime are the people that live in North BR.The BRPD is trying to help but you can't help those who won't help themselves.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:28 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:Was it ever confirmed that this occurred during the altercation? The whole "broken vertebrae" is being overblown as much as the douchebag being a "marine".
The sustained injury and the way in which it occurred elevates the whole situation from disturbing the peace or simple battery to 2nd degree, a serious charge.
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 9:28 am
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:33 am to Geaux2002
This is such bullshite. If JJ got into a bar fight every single day he would still be on the team. Unless someone pressed charges. Unless someone video taped it. Unless he kicked a person in the face who had surrendered. Unless police found evidence of the assult in his house. Unless the national media was watching the situation like a hawk.
It's NOT THE SAME. It sucks. It was a bad break. It was 5 seconds of his life he wishes he could have back. But that is how life is. I have about a hundred 5-seconds I wish I had back.
It's NOT THE SAME. It sucks. It was a bad break. It was 5 seconds of his life he wishes he could have back. But that is how life is. I have about a hundred 5-seconds I wish I had back.
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 9:35 am
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:45 am to Eighteen
I agree with everything but the man code part.
The man code says you anything goes in a bar/street fight and it also says if you lose you take your arse beating and go home, not run to the cops like a litrle bitch.
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The man code says you anything goes in a bar/street fight and it also says if you lose you take your arse beating and go home, not run to the cops like a litrle bitch.
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Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:46 am to Lonnie4LSU
Getting kicked in the head is no big deal. In UFC fights, when they first started, you could kick a guy in the head or the nuts and it was okay. They have changed the rules now but when you are in a brawl and you are afraid for you life or that you will get hurt you don't help the guy up so that maybe he and his friends will have a better chance of kicking your arse. You kick him in the head so that he says uncle and the fight is over. I am for JJ...but I DO not think it was racially motivated but rather "social media" motivated. We are living in a different era.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:52 am to NC_Tigah
Statements like Macklin's have only just begun.
Unfortunately, the fight has turned against LSU, not the legal system.
I'm afraid when more facts come to light, it will be a matter of teammate vs. teammate. On and off the field, more than likely. Just a huge frickin mess, all started by a troubled a teen struggling with issues of identity.
There were a lot of people present when this occurred, some were there for everything, and some just saw and heard pieces of it. Their opinions are going to differ, based on how much of the story they are aware of. Not unlike what you're seeing on this board.
I get the feeling that law enforcement, Miles, and witnesses (teammates) have been willing to accept that a line was crossed somewhere. But, no one is willing to publically state what was witnessed at this time. And when, and if, this reaches that point, this situation will only escalate. I think Miles, LSU, and all who support the program are holding their collective breath at this time.
There are 4 supposed victims, and from what I can tell, only one shows in the video, and that's not the one with felony damage (I'm also assuming this). Somewhere there is bound to be witnesses to what happened to the other 3.
Unfortunately, the fight has turned against LSU, not the legal system.
I'm afraid when more facts come to light, it will be a matter of teammate vs. teammate. On and off the field, more than likely. Just a huge frickin mess, all started by a troubled a teen struggling with issues of identity.
There were a lot of people present when this occurred, some were there for everything, and some just saw and heard pieces of it. Their opinions are going to differ, based on how much of the story they are aware of. Not unlike what you're seeing on this board.
I get the feeling that law enforcement, Miles, and witnesses (teammates) have been willing to accept that a line was crossed somewhere. But, no one is willing to publically state what was witnessed at this time. And when, and if, this reaches that point, this situation will only escalate. I think Miles, LSU, and all who support the program are holding their collective breath at this time.
There are 4 supposed victims, and from what I can tell, only one shows in the video, and that's not the one with felony damage (I'm also assuming this). Somewhere there is bound to be witnesses to what happened to the other 3.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:58 am to wahoocs
The four honest questions that I have about this whole ordeal are this :
1. Who kicked this guy who was on the ground ? Was it a football player ? Was it JJ ? Or was it someone not on the football team ?
2. If the football players were surrounding this alleged "kicking ordeal " saw what was going on, and it did not involve JJ, then why did they not step forward and clear JJ ?
3. If one of the football players was involved in the "kicking" ordeal, and it was not JJ, then someone is letting JJ take the fall for this.
4. If all of these people were surrounding the fight, players and non-players, surely someone saw who was kicking this man ?
1. Who kicked this guy who was on the ground ? Was it a football player ? Was it JJ ? Or was it someone not on the football team ?
2. If the football players were surrounding this alleged "kicking ordeal " saw what was going on, and it did not involve JJ, then why did they not step forward and clear JJ ?
3. If one of the football players was involved in the "kicking" ordeal, and it was not JJ, then someone is letting JJ take the fall for this.
4. If all of these people were surrounding the fight, players and non-players, surely someone saw who was kicking this man ?
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 9:59 am
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:06 am to wahoocs
quote:Actually it is. Supposedly he was totally unconscious when JJ kicked him in the head. The knocked unconscious part is the felony. The kick must have jarred him right back to consciousness though because he got up and walked off immediately.
only one shows in the video, and that's not the one with felony damage
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:12 am to NC_Tigah
IMO no man should get kicked when he is down. Now with that being said, MMA fighters are trained professional fighters, I say again, trained professional fighters and what do they do when they knock there opponent to the ground they jump on top, kick and continue until the ref has to pull them off. That's all I got.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:13 am to Eighteen
BS If someone's adrenaline cracked a few bones in his arse, he'd have a lawyer before day break.
BTW Rudy Mc was great!
BTW Rudy Mc was great!
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:17 am to BigD45
quote:Uhhhh . . . you just failed the bar exam on each and every issue.
What a lot of you, and apparently Rudy Macklin, are failing to realize is this went from an ordinary bar fight to one that allegedly involves a felony taking place. Sure, there is no "man code" on the street, but the law is the law. Unless the person you're fighting is in possession of a weapon and you can reasonably determine you will suffer severe bodily harm or death, you can't take it as far as kicking someone in the head. The shoe on your foot can be interpreted as a weapon if you use it in that manner. Whether you started it or not is irrelevant at that point in time. Most of the statements I read on here every day show no knowledge of this, and it's laughable.
The whole "heat of the moment" part of it is the difference between a second degree (not premeditate) and a first degree charge (premeditated), so that scenario or idea most of you are spouting gets crossed out by the law as well.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:18 am to Geaux2002
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Geaux2002
No...sir...you are the pathetic one. You run with information and condemn and you have absolutely no proof of anything...and that is fact. Who was the one in this situation kicked out of high school, arrested, stalking, restraining orders, kicked out of the bar the very night this happened...the first to throw the punch...etc...??? The real thug is Lowery. I don't like JJ as QB....but this shite is pathetic what they are doing to him, and people like you are just as pathetic with your ignorant views on someone and something you have absolutely no proof of.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Internet age makes attention whores go further in order to get attention than ever before
Perhaps, but the internet age has been around for a tad now and I haven't seen this kinda reaction in BR to a bar room fight when everyone walks away at anytime during that age.
Search warrants, DNA testing, and daily or almost daily PD news conferences...maybe all that has happened before in BR cause of a college bar fight, but I have never seen it or can recall it.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:19 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Again, it does not appear that the guy that was kicked on the ground is the one with the broken vertebrae.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:19 am to NC_Tigah
How do you know the person seen kicked in the video is the one with felony damage that is being blamed on JJ?
Are you assuming this?
If what is witnessed on video is being called a felony, what's to say there isn't a felony charge on a different victim not shown?
Are you assuming this?
If what is witnessed on video is being called a felony, what's to say there isn't a felony charge on a different victim not shown?
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:25 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Beautiful.
No.
You have the "sand" because you've very obviously not been in the situation Macklin describes. Trained policemen let temper get the best of them in scenarios like this. For the most part reaction is "the perp had it coming." That's because for the most part, the entire event is documented; not just the Rodney King ending.
The way the BRPD has handled this situation is deplorable. Putting forward a female-assaulting punk, a little weasel who picked a fight and lost, as a "victim" is an abomination of truth. Not at least filing coincident charges against him in the matter is stupid beyond words.
For that matter you, and everyone else claiming to know something conclusively from the video are ridiculous. You have no idea what preceded the clip. You have no way of knowing what's occurring there. Could be exactly as you describe it. Could be people not even related to LSU in that clip. No way for you to know that. Certainly no way to know that to the extent it justifies making the conclusive accusations you've issued against Jefferson. Folks claim the "victim" was kicked while unconscious? Yet the "victim" himself describes exactly what happened to him precisely at the time he supposedly was unconscious.
This sniveling so-called "victim" has an apparent history of similar punk conduct.
Does JJ?
Had the police looked at this for what it is; had they told the "victim" he had every right to press charges but if he did he would have to be charged, where would this BS be right now?
Had the BRPD explained to Lowery that since he started the fight, since he was clearly guilty of assault, disturbing the peace, etc. charges would have to be filed against him as well, there is not a chance in the world we'd be at this point.
In fact the BRPD Police Chief, incompetent buffoon that he apparently is, went the complete opposite direction. He and his department coddled the sniveling punk. They played him up as a victim. They cozied right up next to him, stroked his bruised crew-cut head, and said "don't worry sugarmuffin, we'll throw the book at the horrible people who did this to you." That is not justice. It's buffoonery. It's biased, and it's wrong. It's wrong whether JJ is guilty or not.
In a nutshell, your not recognizing the above, and acknowledging that by-all-accounts a pretty good kid, JJ, may have been done a significant disservice, is I'm sure a nidus for the previous "sand" comment.
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