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re: Rudy Macklin said it best
Posted on 1/31/11 at 11:10 am to Bubba Hotep
Posted on 1/31/11 at 11:10 am to Bubba Hotep
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White has underperformed, but we would be significantly worse without him.
Yea, how would we replace his 4 fouls/game average?
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 11:13 am to TJG210
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Yea, how would we replace his 4 fouls/game average?
Look at the score in the Bama game with him versus without him. We were competing when he was in the game. Just saying
Posted on 1/31/11 at 11:14 am to dos crystal
Totally agree dc. Virtually everything in that post has been mentioned by a few of us in the last few weeks in singular fashion. I'm still hoping that Ross-Miller could work his way back to BR in the next couple of years fwiw.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 11:15 am to KingHippo
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I'm all for giving Trent the rest of this year and all of next year, but I expect to see signifigant improvement next year. And I mean signifigant improvement.
This.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 11:19 am to dos crystal
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oh dear lord, regressed? yep, trent coached that Achilles strain storm has. his best years have come under trent, have they not? so trent can improve storm from frosh to soph but makes him regress as a jr. that makes sense.
Storm has not been good when healthy either.
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white, check the numbers. he's still a 6 and 6 guy. the same guy.
Yea, "still". He played in teh same conference 2 years ago as a Soph. Good to see he has improved since then his 2 years at LSU....oh, wait.....
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really, butler, george mason, san diego st, byu, gonzaga, all disagree.
So you want LSU to field a good team every 5 years?
awesome. High standards right there.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 11:30 am to Lester Earl
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So you want LSU to field a good team every 5 years?
did i say that? didn't think so. you said you couldn't build a program with program guys. i said those teams disagreed.
i believe you have to build the program with those guys to get the studs interested in you. you start winning, they will come.
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Yea, "still". He played in teh same conference 2 years ago as a Soph. Good to see he has improved since then his 2 years at LSU....oh, wait.....
you said regressed. did you not? failing to improve and regressing are two different things.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 11:38 am to dos crystal
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did i say that? didn't think so. you said you couldn't build a program with program guys. i said those teams disagreed.
Gonzaga is the only team on that list that is consistently good, year in and year out.
so yeah, you basically said you want LSU to be good every few years.
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you said regressed. did you not? failing to improve and regressing are two different things.
if you haven't improved, when you were expected to, you have regressed, in my eyes.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 12:05 pm to Lester Earl
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Gonzaga is the only team on that list that is consistently good, year in and year out.
so yeah, you basically said you want LSU to be good every few years.
Butler
The Bulldogs' win on Dec. 31 against Green Bay closed out the most successful decade in Butler basketball history. Butler won nearly 70 percent of its games during the decade, posting a 10-year record of 236-103. The Bulldogs had eight 20-win seasons, earned eight postseason tournament bids and had a pair of NCAA Sweet 16 appearances from 1999-2000 to 2008-2009.
B.y.u.
With a 127-40 record, Rose has produced a five-year resume that is nearly unmatched. In fact, among the 40-plus coaches who took over a program in 2005, Rose has the best winning percentage (.760) and the most wins (127). Among first-time head coaches in 2005, Rose is the only to achieve at least 20 wins in each of his first five seasons
san diego st
2009-10 San Diego State Head Coach 25-9
2008-09 San Diego State Head Coach 26-10
2007-08 San Diego State Head Coach 20-13
2006-07 San Diego State Head Coach 22-11
2005-06 San Diego State Head Coach 24-9
george mason
1998–1999 George Mason 19–11 13–3 1st NCAA 1st Round
1999–2000 George Mason 19–11 12–4 T-1st
2000–2001 George Mason 18–12 11–5 T-2nd NCAA 1st Round
2001–2002 George Mason 19–10 13–5 2nd NIT Opening Round
2002–2003 George Mason 16–12 11–7 4th
2003–2004 George Mason 23–10 12–6 3rd NIT 2nd Round
2004–2005 George Mason 16–13 10–8 6th
2005–2006 George Mason 27–8 15–3 T-1st NCAA Final Four
2006–2007 George Mason 18–15 9–9 T-5th
2007–2008 George Mason 23–11 12–6 3rd NCAA 1st Round
2008–2009 George Mason 22–11 13–5 2nd NIT 1st Round
2009–2010 George Mason 17–15 12–6 4th CIT 1st round
Can you say freaking BOOM!
[quote]if you haven't improved, when you were expected to, you have regressed, in my eyes
Yeah, we see how much you know!
This post was edited on 1/31/11 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 1/31/11 at 12:09 pm to LSUWAG1
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louisiana does not produce a lot of top basketball talent
It has the talent, but they play football.....
Posted on 1/31/11 at 12:09 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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the team should at least be competitive
Posted on 1/31/11 at 12:31 pm to dos crystal
I didnt see Butler on your list, they are obviously a good program
SDSU and George Mason have made 3 NCAA tournaments each in the last 10 years. Not really something to brag about.
I dont remember the last time BYU got out of the 1st round of the NCAA tournament after dominating their shite conference.
Besides, building a program in the Colonial Atlantic is different than the SEC. Wouldnt you say?
SDSU and George Mason have made 3 NCAA tournaments each in the last 10 years. Not really something to brag about.
I dont remember the last time BYU got out of the 1st round of the NCAA tournament after dominating their shite conference.
Besides, building a program in the Colonial Atlantic is different than the SEC. Wouldnt you say?
Posted on 1/31/11 at 12:48 pm to dos crystal
How long should this rebuild period take?
Posted on 1/31/11 at 12:50 pm to bazeball
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Basketball can be rebuilt rather quickly with a few pickups.
That is the point...he doesn't want a "quick fix". A true PROGRAM is built with guys who are going to be here for 4 years, not a bunch of jack-arse 2 year JUCO's.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 12:51 pm to Doomaflochie
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How long should this rebuild period take?
How long has it taken so far?
Posted on 1/31/11 at 12:55 pm to Lester Earl
I support Trent, however, he's on the clock. We are woefully outmanned as anyone who knows basketball can see. Geaux get more talent, Dale Brown did. LSU has the strongest bb tradition in the SEC outside Kentucky. Find em'.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 12:57 pm to Doomaflochie
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How long should this rebuild period take?
4 years, then we can expect results like San Diego State and George Mason
Posted on 1/31/11 at 1:01 pm to Lester Earl
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SDSU and George Mason have made 3 NCAA tournaments each in the last 10 years. Not really something to brag about.
I dont remember the last time BYU got out of the 1st round of the NCAA tournament after dominating their shite conference.
san diego st and b.y.u. have a number of 20 win seasons. that's pretty good.
i'll give you george mason. however, they do compete for their conference championship regularly. it's a all relative. maybe it's not as good as the s.e.c. but they have to recruit players to beat the teams in their conference.
[quote]Besides, building a program in the Colonial Atlantic is different than the SEC. Wouldnt you say?
outside of maybe kentucky, florida, or Tenn. i think the san diego states, butlers, xaviers, byu's, and gonzaga's would fair very well in the s.e.c. in fact, if they were, it wouldn't surpise me if they finished ahead of those three teams in some years.
the key is. you can recruit program players and be successful. that is my point. if lsu became a consistant 20 game winner in the s.e.c. as those schools have in their conferences, we'll be fine.
it's not just those schools who can do it with program guys. seton hall, minnesota, wisconsin, notre dame, atm, washington, ect are all doing it. it's just going to take time.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 1:09 pm to dos crystal
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he has to recruit program players. the 5 star/elite players are going to go to duke, kentucky, u.n.c.. where basketball is at lsu today, no crowd support, the top talent isn't going to come. it's not like trent doesn't want to recruit these players, they don't want to come. you have to build the foundation to get them here.
its the truth with any sport, we easily forget what it takes to get there and how quickly it can dissolve.
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things aren't going to get much better this year. this is a major rebuilding process he's undertaking. he's the man for the job and will get it done.
he chose us when very few were interested. let's give him time. patience is a virtue.
I agree, he's a quality human being
Posted on 1/31/11 at 1:10 pm to dos crystal
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it's not just those schools who can do it with program guys. seton hall, minnesota, wisconsin, notre dame, atm, washington, ect are all doing it.
Seton hall hasn't been to the tourney since 06. A&M and Washington go after plenty of guys who aren't 4 year players.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 1:12 pm to Lester Earl
they beat florida in the 1st round last year. don't like the mid major comparisons though, i think the goal is more like purdue, texas a&m, missouri, etc. just become a program that contends for division titles and tournament appearances on the reg. thats what makes right now so frustrating right now, sec west has become such a poor division and we're right at the bottom for the 2nd year in a row. there will be expectations next year, with the roster that we'll have and all the excuses we've made next year is put up or shut up for trent IMO. still ideally a player short if we don't land a 1 but no tournament next season will be very disappointing. we'll also have our eyes on whats happening in recruiting.
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