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re: Rohan Davey: "Big Joe Will Break My Yardage... I'm TELLING You!"
Posted on 3/21/19 at 5:18 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 3/21/19 at 5:18 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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You clowns are abusive as hell. You can't stand anyone questioning your idiotic opinions. Jerks!
You seem to have really thin skin. You can't stand anyone posting stats that show that Burrow wasn't a top 5 QB last year.
Jerk!
Posted on 3/21/19 at 5:22 pm to earl keese
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He's gotten away with his shite on a daily basis for a long time. Maybe one day he'll be banned for a while.
q
You mouthed off. Your little buddy mouths off constantly but you both want me banned. Both of you are pathetic losers.
I've wasted too much time on both of you as it is.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 5:25 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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You clowns are abusive as hell (earl and fatbastard particularly). You can't stand anyone questioning your idiotic opinions. Jerks
They're both stupid as hell. I should've never answered either one of them. They're both pathetic losers.
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 3/21/19 at 5:38 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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You clowns are abusive as hell (earl and fatbastard particularly). You can't stand anyone questioning your idiotic opinions. Jerks!
Posted on 3/21/19 at 5:41 pm to bencoleman
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I should've never answered either one of them.
I'm surprised you even responded to any of my posts ben, You've claimed in the past (another ben lie) that you NEVER respond to my posts.
I figured you were probably heavily medicated to keep responding to my posts. fricking drug addict.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 6:27 pm to earl keese
Yeah he got mad also when his Jimbo thread backfired on him. EL OH EL.
another guy who cannot stand FACTS!
Just look at him here. Spewing pure SUBJECTIVE OPINION! I mean hey that’s fine but admit it. Don’t claim it’s fact when there’s nothing objective to back that opinion up.
another guy who cannot stand FACTS!
Just look at him here. Spewing pure SUBJECTIVE OPINION! I mean hey that’s fine but admit it. Don’t claim it’s fact when there’s nothing objective to back that opinion up.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 6:29 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Since this thread has meandered - here is the OP again -
Rohan was on Matt Moscona last week (link below). Ro is very high on Joe Burrow (and adamant about it!)
Rohan's comments:
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Starts at about 20:50 - the player is at the very bottom of the page.
About the 6th or 7th podcast - titled -
"Another OT win for LSU hoops! | Hilliard struggles in LSU Baseball win | Davey predicts Burrow will break passing record"
LINK
[And Props to BowDownToLSU for being the first to mention this interview on the "Joe will break the record" thread]
Rohan was on Matt Moscona last week (link below). Ro is very high on Joe Burrow (and adamant about it!)
Rohan's comments:
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"I think Joe's going to make a huge step. I know what it feels like to be comfortable in the second year of an offense. I know what kind of frickin crap he went through this year just trying to get everything right. And he did a fantastic job.
I'm just picturing now his second year. He's had a whole year here. He's had a whole year with his receivers. And he's a smart guy. And he knows what he's doing.
Honestly. um. um. Who the hell's the offensive coordinator? Ensminger! If he lets that boy loose...Man! And if it goes the way I think it will go... I think Big Joe will break my passing yardage... I'm telling you!"
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Starts at about 20:50 - the player is at the very bottom of the page.
About the 6th or 7th podcast - titled -
"Another OT win for LSU hoops! | Hilliard struggles in LSU Baseball win | Davey predicts Burrow will break passing record"
LINK
[And Props to BowDownToLSU for being the first to mention this interview on the "Joe will break the record" thread]
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 3/21/19 at 6:46 pm to Fat Bastard
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Yeah he got mad also when his Jimbo thread backfired on him. EL OH EL.
That was funny, He doesn't seem to be a fan of the facts.
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another guy who cannot stand FACTS!
Jeaux don't like no facts!
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Just look at him here. Spewing pure SUBJECTIVE OPINION! I mean hey that’s fine but admit it. Don’t claim it’s fact when there’s nothing objective to back that opinion up.
Exactly. Nothing wrong with him voicing his opinion about Burrow, but when he's presented with facts (Burrow's 2018 stats), he gets bent out of shape and calls everyone who doesn't agree with him a idiot.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:20 pm to earl keese
quote:Here's a little fact for ya - in the passing game, a QB just throws it. Someone else has to catch it.
Exactly. Nothing wrong with him voicing his opinion about Burrow, but when he's presented with facts (Burrow's 2018 stats), he gets bent out of shape and calls everyone who doesn't agree with him a idiot.
In Burrow's case, these were WR's with very little overall experience, and even less experience working with Joe. And Joe had an OC & passing coordinators that featured slow developing mid-range to long passes (low percentage plays for any QB/WR)
In Haskins case, he had the most experienced WR room in the Big-10, and probably all of college ball. His OC featured short passes (high percentage plays) to fast WR's who killed it in yards after catch. 3 of his WR's were in the top-10 fastest of all the WRs at the 2019 NFL combine (Campbell tied for the fastest time). On the jet sweeps, Haskins "threw" many one foot passes to these speedsters. (And the career leading WR, KJ Hill, opted out of the combine - he'll stay another year.)
Anyone who doesn't understand how the above situations enormously affect "stats", shouldn't be commenting on the passing game.
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 3/21/19 at 8:11 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
The thought of that gives me a big boner.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:38 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Here's a little fact for ya - in the passing game, a QB just throws it. Someone else has to catch it.
Wow. You figure that out all on your own?
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In Burrow's case, these were WR's with very little overall experience, and even less experience working with Joe. And Joe had an OC & passing coordinators that featured slow developing mid-range to long passes (low percentage plays for any QB/WR)
Sounds like Burrow made a poor choice of where to take his talents if he wanted to be one of the best QBs in college football. And it also sounds like you should be mad at the LSU coaching staff instead of some of us here on the rant for implementing and calling "slow developing mid-range to long passes."
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In Haskins case,
I don't a flying frick about Haskins and his "case." He played ball for Ohio State. I'm not an Ohio State fan.
But the fact remains the same. Joe Burrow ranked above 50 in all the QB categories after the 2018 season except for passing yards per completion, which he was ranked #22 nationally, and passing yards for the entire season where he ranked #35.
All that being said. I still think he had a good 2018 season.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:42 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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In Burrow's case, these were WR's with very little overall experience, and even less experience working with Joe. And Joe had an OC & passing coordinators that featured slow developing mid-range to long passes (low percentage plays for any QB/WR)
I don't disagree with you there.
I like Joe a lot, but if he was an equal passer to Haskins he would have jsut been named the starter. He is a better runner and has all the intangibles you look for.
And thats kind where are argument started: if your QB can run you run him.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 10:38 pm to SammyTiger
quote:You're missing a piece of the puzzle. Day was offered several HC jobs at the end of'17 - including an SEC HC job - and OC spot with the NFL Titans.
I like Joe a lot, but if he was an equal passer to Haskins he would have jsut been named the starter. He is a better runner and has all the intangibles you look for.
Day had mega-leverage. He agreed to stay as OC, but only if he could run the O HIS way. He wanted to run a pro-style passing game with some RPO on the side. He wanted NOTHING to do with the read/option. And he did not want to risk having Meyer take over the offense once the season got rolling (which actually happened for a couple games after the Purdue loss/fiasco)
Day also thought Haskins would stay 3 years. Day was shocked when Haskins declared, and he was vocal about it.
Don't know why it is so hard for guys to fathom Meyer having 2 top-5 QBs on his roster at the same time. For instance, Meyer had Cam Newton and Tebow at the same time. Newton eventually went #1, and Tebow was the 2nd QB taken in the 2010 draft.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:33 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
OR Day picked Haskins because he thought he was a better passer.
NO coach is going to turn down a true Dual threat QB
look who he just recruited to OSU.
NO coach is going to turn down a true Dual threat QB
look who he just recruited to OSU.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:59 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Maybe you should tell Rohan Davey to pump his brakes?
Rohan isn't on here day and night knighting Burrow for being something he isn't since he has been at LSU. At least so far. That's what you've been doing for the last several months which is what prompted me to suggest you pump the brakes on Burrow, based on his stats/facts thus far. The kid is a warrior, I'm a huge fan but I'm also not going to say he's one of the top 5 QBs in the country, at least at the current time, he isn't. That's a fair enough statement. He only has room to improve. I'll be the last person to rip on any player and not wish them success.
If you want to praise Burrow for not being something he isn't, you have every right to do that.
But others also have the right to be realistic and say as of present time, he is not that. He's close but he's not that right now. So don't get your panties in a wad and start throwing little fits when someone doesn't agree with you.
Since you missed it the first time:
Again, I'd be elated for Burrow to break Rohan's record and so would Rohan.
Nothing about my post is ripping on either of those players which is what you're insinuating in that garbage that you want to pretend is a reply.
This post was edited on 3/22/19 at 12:25 am
Posted on 3/22/19 at 12:04 am to SammyTiger
quote:OR Day's wet dream of a pro-style offense got CRUSHED by Purdue. 73 pass attempts, and still couldnt beat a 6-7 team? (which should have been a 5-8 team)
OR Day picked Haskins because he thought he was a better passer.
NO coach is going to turn down a true Dual threat QB
look who he just recruited to OSU.
There does seem to be a small genetic strain of Tigers who are hell-bent to be considered second rate - kinda sad (but kinda funny, too)
This post was edited on 3/22/19 at 12:10 am
Posted on 3/22/19 at 12:39 am to la_birdman
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If you want to praise Burrow for not being something he isn't, you have every right to do that.
Absolutely nothing wrong with someone voicing their opinion on something. His problem is that he gets bent out of shape when other people don't agree with his opinion.
I don't believe there's a tiger fan that isn't pleased that Burrow is on the team. But if you don't buy into the "top 5 QB" BS, Jeaux insists on calling you out and claim that you're bad mouthing the young man.
Even when the facts are on your side.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 12:44 am to earl keese
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Absolutely nothing wrong with someone voicing their opinion on something
Exactly.
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His problem is that he gets bent out of shape when other people don't agree with his opinion.
And exactly again.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 12:47 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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C'mon TL, you're better than that. Elite QBs have been a hallmark of Meyer's for a long time. #1 overall NFL Alex Smith, #1 overall Cam Newton (Meyer recruited him), Heisman Tim Tebow,
who deserves credit for developing burrow? Gotta give it to Ensminger/Orgeron
too bad you already said meyer doesnt deserve credit for burrow's development like any of those players.
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Heisman finalist Haskins.
wait, youve said over and over that haskins only received recognition because of his stats. now its because hes been developed into an elite qb? which is it dumbass?
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So, why would anyone think Meyer couldn't recruit 2 elite QB's to Ohio State at the same time?
because they werent recruited at the same time. haskins signed the year after burrow did.
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And at crunch time, one of them will almost certainly transfer. Right?
yes, the one that loses the starting qb battle and falls behind on the depth chart.
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Tate Martell transferred. Justin Fields transferred.
2 more qbs that lost the starting qb battle and were unhappy with their places on the depth chart.
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That "logic" holds no water.
like everything else, you wouldnt know the first thing about logic.
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By what measure? QB/WR combined stats?
by any measure. the elite quarterbacks are clearly defined and universally recognized as such.
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But, by what Burrow was able to do with a 'chocolate mess' of an offense? Absolutely, IMO.
going a month without throwing td pass to his own team is elite?
being shutout by alabama is elite?
completing 50% of his passes against a bad fcs team is elite?
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Haskins couldn't have done nearly as well in that LSU offense
prove it. he already did better than burrow when they were in the same offense.
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again, my opinion
is less than worthless. you couldnt pay people to give a shite about your opinion. you dont know anything about football. and you are the biggest bitch on this website.
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Keep listening to Ro. You will see the light!
quote where rohan davey said anything about burrow in reference to lawrence, tua, or haskins.
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And my response is in reference to Burrow possessing the elite skill-set
he doesnt possess an elite skill set. nfl draft projection for this year and next year prove this.
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that he has demonstrated since high school.
he has demonstrated literally nothing elite since high school. and since you insist on including burrow's high school stats in this, myles brennan threw for more yards and more touchdowns that burrow did in 2014. clearly brennan > burrow.
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Not achieving lofty QB/WR* combined stats that may have more to do with the system he is in than his own skill-set.
haskins just had the most prolific season in the history of the big 10, in the same system that burrow couldnt beat him out in and other good qbs have played in.
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As earl keese shows why the phrase "damned with faint praise" has lasted over 400 years...
how long are we going to have to wait for you to provide proof that burrow is a top 5 quarterback and that hes better than haskins? biggest. bitch. on. this. website.
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while earl pisses on Burrow. Saying he's not in Haskin's class. Clueless - LOL
burrow isnt in haskins class. anybody that knows anything about football knows this. you think a qb going through progressions means he has to look at every eligible wr before deciding which one to throw to. you also think qbs in rpo offenses have to be running qbs. you dont know shite about football.
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Obvioulsy, I'm not talking about stats. I'm talking about Burrow's ability.
a player's ability is reflected in his production.
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If you rate a college QB only by stats, Tom Brady was a well below average QB in college. That way of judging is, of course, ridiculous. Simplistic. Short-sighted.
tom brady was drafted in the 6th round of the nfl draft. he was not an elite quarterback in college. hes also had great stats in many years in the nfl, which means hes actually not that good according to you.
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But on this rant, it is the only way some are capable of judging a college QB.
davey obrien award semifinalists.
postseason accolades.
vegas oddsmakers.
nfl draft analysts.
there are plenty of ways to judge a qbs ability beyond just stats. burrow is regarded in elite in exactly 0 of them. haskins, tua, and lawrence are considered elite in all of them.
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By your logic, if Johnny Unitas was a good passer, the Pittsburgh Steelers wouldn't have cut him (as a rookie) at Fall camp.
this is you failing at logic again. shocking.
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And you, earl, piss on Burrow over and over again
correctly pointing out that joe burrow is not an elite quarterback is not pissing on him.
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"stats" from a rebuilding year for the offense.
you are the only person that continues to reference stats.
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Check yourSELF!
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No. I'm saying Burrow was and is a top-5 QB.
prove it. show your work. dont be a complete failure in your life for once.
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But guys who don't have a functioning football IQ can't be expected to discern that. So, you are forgiven.
you think a quarterback going through progressions means he has to look at every eligible wr before deciding which one to throw to. you think a qb in an rpo offense has to be a running qb.
you have no football iq, because you dont know shite about football.
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Again, you are conflating stats and ability. They are 2 completely different things.
they arent actually. stats are a reflection of ability. not throwing a td for a month is a reflection of ability. completing 50% of your passes against a bad fcs team is a reflection of ability.
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