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re: Reminder: our OC never left
Posted on 3/10/20 at 4:24 am to doze4
Posted on 3/10/20 at 4:24 am to doze4
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Here is your link. it’s obvious you are going to believe what you want to believe, no matter who here tries to tell you otherwise.
All of those statements were fan and writer's opinions.
My question continues to be, why did the coaching staff constantly give E the props Brady should've been getting if he was really running the offense?
If you want to keep Brady long term, why are you giving E credit for Brady's results?
If you knew Brady was leaving, why are you putting unnecessary expectations on E's shoulders when it'd be easy to blame any drop off on Brady's departure?
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 4:27 am to LouisianaLonghorn
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For all intents and purposes, Brady was most certainly the OC.
Why not name him OC then?
By many accounts, E doesnt necessarily even want to be the OC so why not put Brady in that position if he could handle it?
From all the talk around his extension and all, it didnt even appear that Brady would be the OC in 2020.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:57 am to joeburrowfanclub
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Okay but the reason why Brady had such a big affect is because he brought a new form of offense. He’s gone, but he didn’t take the playbook with him! Obviously not having Brady will make a difference, but losing him doesn’t hurt as bad as gaining him helped. 2020 will still be much better than 2018
Now that's a fair statement but people need to stop acting like Brady wasn't The Mastermind. He most definitely was. I mean, how much more clear could the evidence be. We have, essentially, direct comparisons between 2017-18 and 2019. Anyone that believes otherwise is just sticking their head in their sand or being a homer, an ageist or engaging in provincialism.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:02 am to atltiger6487
It’s unbelievable how some on here still think E had more to do with the success of the offense than Brady. Unbelievable.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:06 am to SidewalkTiger
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He’s humble. It is not his offense, he says, but is instead a conglomeration of ideas from the staff organized by Ensminger. He’s too modest to tell you that many of the ideas are his, the drop-back passing concepts from Payton and the RPO game from Moorhead.
Are you having trouble understanding what you're reading? In this portion you quoted, the writer is referring to Brady not Ensminger.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:11 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:Good lord, man, you're REALLY stretching.
When did he [Ensminger] have time to implement it?
It's not like Ensminger was hired at the beginning of fall camp. E was named LSU's OC on January 10, 2018. He had all spring and all fall to implement a new offense. New OCs do it all the time.
By comparison, Joe Brady was hired on January 28, 2019, yet somehow found time to implement his offense.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:14 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:coachspeak, to keep the coaches' room happy.
Why was O constantly giving E credit then?
What's O supposed to say? -- Our offensive success is due to the new guy, and E is just along for the ride?
It's coachspeak.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:57 am to nola000
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Are you having trouble understanding what you're reading? In this portion you quoted, the writer is referring to Brady not Ensminger.
Clearly, but "many ideas" is different than running the entire show.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:58 am to atltiger6487
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coachspeak, to keep the coaches' room happy
So frick Brady, lets keep E happy?
Even though by all accounts, E is a humble guy and didnt give a shite about the accolades, allegedly?
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What's O supposed to say? -- Our offensive success is due to the new guy, and E is just along for the ride?
Why even put E in that situation? If it was all Brady as many of you say, why wasnt he OC?
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 9:01 am
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:59 am to atltiger6487
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Good lord, man, you're REALLY stretching.
It's not like Ensminger was hired at the beginning of fall camp. E was named LSU's OC on January 10, 2018. He had all spring and all fall to implement a new offense. New OCs do it all the time.
Are you forgetting that Burrow didnt show up till a month before the season started?
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:28 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:because O didn't want to fire or demote his friend, but he just knew E's offense wasn't good enough so he brought in a guy to implement a different offense under E.
Why even put E in that situation? If it was all Brady as many of you say, why wasnt he OC?
And also, Brady was extremely young and it would've been a big risk to hand him all the keys as OC. Better to lessen the risk, keep E in place, and see what Brady's offense could do, while working under/with E.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:49 am to atltiger6487
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because O didn't want to fire or demote his friend
Its common knowledge that E would rather just be a position coach, be it tight ends or quarterbacks.
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but he just knew E's offense wasn't good enough so he brought in a guy to implement a different offense under E.
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And also, Brady was extremely young and it would've been a big risk to hand him all the keys as OC.
So O didnt want to fire E but he was gonna let E take the heat if Brady failed? None of this adds up.
Also, Brady isnt that young. Sean Mcvay was an NFL head coach at 30.
I dont get this whole "theory" that E is some kind of "figurehead" OC, if he isnt doing anything let him coach a position and hire an OC.
Linehan was certainly qualified to be the OC at LSU, moreso than E.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 10:05 am
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:50 am to SidewalkTiger
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It's not like Ensminger was hired at the beginning of fall camp. E was named LSU's OC on January 10, 2018. He had all spring and all fall to implement a new offense. New OCs do it all the time.
Are you forgetting that Burrow didnt show up till a month before the season started?
I'm not sure why this matters. We were coming off of the Canada offense. Ensminger had to change the offense no matter what. Why does he need Burrow in the spring to install an uptempo/spread type offense?
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:20 am to TigerLunatik
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I'm not sure why this matters.
You're not sure why it matters if the quarterback knows the offense or not?
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:30 am to SidewalkTiger
You said E didn't have time to implement a new spread offense in 2018.
Why couldn't he have begun the installation of a speed offense in the spring of '18 when he had to change the offense anyway? What does Burrow have to do with it then? He had no idea that Burrow would ever even be on the team.
Then, when Burrow did get here, he had to learn a new offense anyways. Why couldn't it have been the offense that he says he was running since he was in middle school? In fact, the offense that Ensminger ran in 2018 was a bigger learning curve for Burrow than the 2019 offense was.
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Posted by SidewalkTiger ? ? on 3/9/20 at 6:43 pm to atltiger6487
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If E had it, he would’ve implemented it in 2018, when we had virtually all of the same pieces.
When did he have time to implement it?
Why couldn't he have begun the installation of a speed offense in the spring of '18 when he had to change the offense anyway? What does Burrow have to do with it then? He had no idea that Burrow would ever even be on the team.
Then, when Burrow did get here, he had to learn a new offense anyways. Why couldn't it have been the offense that he says he was running since he was in middle school? In fact, the offense that Ensminger ran in 2018 was a bigger learning curve for Burrow than the 2019 offense was.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:39 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:you do know that E could've installed a new offense in the spring, before Burrow got to LSU, right?
Are you forgetting that Burrow didnt show up till a month before the season started?
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:41 am to TigerLunatik
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Then, when Burrow did get here, he had to learn a new offense anyways. Why couldn't it have been the offense that he says he was running since he was in middle school?
I'm saying that anything he ran in 2018 was likely "dumbed down" some since Burrow wasnt here for much of the offseason and didnt have a chance to learn the terminology or have chemistry with anyone.
Chemistry between players, their teammates, and coaches is one of the most important aspects of team sports.
2019 LSU was probably not the most purely talented team in college football, but they clicked the best.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 11:43 am
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:51 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:don't shortchange us. We had the presumptive no. 1 NFL pick at QB, a first round WR, another surefire first round WR when he comes out and Belitnikoff Winner, and a very productive RB.
2019 LSU was probably not the most purely talented team in college football, but they clicked the best.
We were loaded.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 2:13 pm to atltiger6487
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don't shortchange us. We had the presumptive no. 1 NFL pick at QB, a first round WR, another surefire first round WR when he comes out and Belitnikoff Winner, and a very productive RB.
We were loaded.
Chicken or egg.
No one was saying any of this before 2019.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 4:21 pm to luciouslou
Why can’t we just say Steve is capable enough with one year on the job experience to implement Joe Brady’s scheme and have continued success?
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