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re: Regarding the policy on illegal streaming audio links...
Posted on 2/23/09 at 8:45 am to themunch
Posted on 2/23/09 at 8:45 am to themunch
quote:Last I heard, it was a system like the Nielsen ratings for television (might actually be the Nielsen ratings in radio, too). There are sample homes whose listening patterns are tracked to make up an estimate of listernership in the region.
I cannot understand, how besides feedback, a radio station knows how many folks are tuned in. Can you enlighten me?
That was long before the internet, however. They may track it online somehow these days. But as far as I know, advertising revenue is still based on the size of the audience. So they must utilize some method of measuring the number of listeners.
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Posted on 2/23/09 at 8:48 am to VooDoo1321
What's your email?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:17 am to King Joey
Thanks. That is what I thought and the only way they have a clue is feedback through advertisers. You have to contact the advertiser to accomplish that. If you do not click on the advertiser on a website, how do they collect anything or any feedback?
I have viewed and bought LSU gear on here and I know that would help TD's. That is generating revenue by using their links. If I do not use the links how do they generate feedback for the advertisers?
The advertiser pays to be on the site and makes money when you go and purchase. The advertiser is not making money just being here or anywhere.
TD's makes money by selling the space, but the advertiser only makes money when folks use them.
That is how I understand it anyways.
So the point is that because UStream is making ad money they cannot allow someone to use their tools to share a paid event. Is that what you are saying?
If so then all is needed is a non-ad peer to peer sharing site.
I have viewed and bought LSU gear on here and I know that would help TD's. That is generating revenue by using their links. If I do not use the links how do they generate feedback for the advertisers?
The advertiser pays to be on the site and makes money when you go and purchase. The advertiser is not making money just being here or anywhere.
TD's makes money by selling the space, but the advertiser only makes money when folks use them.
That is how I understand it anyways.
So the point is that because UStream is making ad money they cannot allow someone to use their tools to share a paid event. Is that what you are saying?
If so then all is needed is a non-ad peer to peer sharing site.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:48 am to ASUTiger
quote:
Users posting links isn't illegal. Do you get money from LSU? If not, then screw 'em. You aren't rebroadcasting or duplicating the content in any way.
This is exactly what I thought....I am all for Chicken getting something from LSU in return, but I have a feeling they are just strongarming him because they think he's the little guy. I will NEVER pay for Geaux Zone to listen to LSU games.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 10:29 am to Chicken
quote:
obviously hurt the pay-to-listen Geaux Zone business.
just like this site hurts the potential revenue of Rivals or Scouts or Tigerbait.com...
I think the decision you made and bowing to the LSU athletics dept is non-sense....they are making a money play..
I guess you are going for the official license
of LSU athletics...
pretty soon, you won't allow criticism of any LSU policy....
nice....
Posted on 2/23/09 at 10:30 am to themunch
quote:
So the point is that because UStream is making ad money they cannot allow someone to use their tools to share a paid event. Is that what you are saying?
If so then all is needed is a non-ad peer to peer sharing site.
No. If you purchase a GZ subscription, you cannot share it except by having people physically in the same house/room/whatever watching or listening to it. It is not permissible to share that stream through a p2p network, whether ad-supported or not. The fact that UStream is ad-supported is not the issue here.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 10:41 am to ASUTiger
quote:geaux_tigers_13@yahoo.com
What's your email?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 10:59 am to Chicken
Thanks for the explanation.
I tried Geaux Zone for one year. I will never subscribe to that substandard product again.
Shame on LSU.
I tried Geaux Zone for one year. I will never subscribe to that substandard product again.
Shame on LSU.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 11:15 am to athletemed
quote:
just like this site hurts the potential revenue of Rivals or Scouts or Tigerbait.com...
I think the decision you made and bowing to the LSU athletics dept is non-sense....they are making a money play..
I guess you are going for the official license
of LSU athletics...
pretty soon, you won't allow criticism of any LSU policy....
nice....
is this a joke or is your understanding of basic copyright that screwed?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 11:23 am to BR Tiger
Link?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 11:59 am to themunch
quote:
I was also told that the free streaming sites obviously hurt the pay-to-listen Geaux Zone business
I am sure this is the motivational factor for them.
Lost revenue they never had. The American way of business.
Speaking of which, being that not all games are on local sports radio, is that because Geaux Zone and LSU policy is dictating they cannot be there to do live broadcasts? Does anyone know anything about this aspect?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 1:36 pm to King Joey
quote:
Somebody -- either me or a lot of other people on this board -- must be very confused about what is going on. I have seen many posts attacking LSU's policy decision to go after TD.com, or to try and prevent posters from talking about the games. The above is quoted from Chicken's original post regarding this with what I feel to be significant portions emphasized. From what Chicken posted, LSU is not trying to prevent posting about the games on this site. Nor are they attempting to shut down this site. All they are attempting to do is stop the illegal rebroadcasting of their broadcasts by sites like UStream.com. They have asked Chicken for his "help" inasmuch as they have asked that this site stop facilitating the illegal activities in which those sites engage.
This is not an attack on TigerDroppings. This is not an attempt to shut down gamethread posts. This is LSU trying to preserve its property rights by putting a stop to the illegal rebroadcasting.
I agree that GeauxZone sucks, but that is completely besides the point. If GeauxZone did not exist at all, LSU's position regarding the illegal streaming would still be 100% legitimate and I would still agree with it 100%. It is LSU's property and no one should be allowed to use it without their consent. No different than my money or your car. Period.
There you go bringing logic and common sense to the rant. Remember, you are talking to the people that think everything should be free and they should never have to pay for anything that they can steal off of the web.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 1:37 pm to themunch
My two-cents, and it's nothing that hasn't been said here before, but I was absolutely disgusted with LSU's decision to force listeners to pay a subscription to listen to broadcasts of their games. Now, for additional content such as video that isn't being provided free of charge locally, it makes sense to charge a premium. If providing streaming audio were an added expense for LSU, then I could see the rationale. However, there's no reason, other than greed, for LSU to keep local media outlets, such as the radio stations on the network, to stream their broadcasts over the internet.
Not that it would matter, but could we start a petition of some sort for LSU to allow its affiliate radio stations to provide streaming audio of LSU games?
Not that it would matter, but could we start a petition of some sort for LSU to allow its affiliate radio stations to provide streaming audio of LSU games?
This post was edited on 2/23/09 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 2/23/09 at 1:43 pm to ffishstik
quote:
However, there's no reason, other than greed, for LSU to keep local media outlets, such as the radio stations on the network, to stream their broadcasts over the internet.
Not that it would matter, but could we start a petition of some sort for LSU to allow its affiliate radio stations to provide streaming audio of LSU games?
I do understand Chicken's issue here. But what you are saying is pretty much my complaint. I don't like having to pay extra for GX or XM radio to get a broadcast that is free for people that happen to live in a radio stations coverage area. If WWL were able to provide streaming of the broadcast that they already have the rights to, I would still get the commercials that are paying for air time, and in this day and age of internet shopping and extensive traveling, I am just as much a consumer of the advertisers as the people who live in NOLA....
Posted on 2/23/09 at 1:53 pm to LSUmomma
quote:
I do understand Chicken's issue here. But what you are saying is pretty much my complaint. I don't like having to pay extra for GX or XM radio to get a broadcast that is free for people that happen to live in a radio stations coverage area. If WWL were able to provide streaming of the broadcast that they already have the rights to, I would still get the commercials that are paying for air time, and in this day and age of internet shopping and extensive traveling, I am just as much a consumer of the advertisers as the people who live in NOLA....
Exactly. Of course, I don't recall ever disagreeing with you, Momma! If you're half as attractive as you are intelligent, then your "LSU Poppa" is one lucky guy!
Posted on 2/23/09 at 1:53 pm to LSUmomma
LSU can't stop individuals from sharing over the air radio feeds with other individuals, period. It doesn't matter what kind of BS legal phrases they try to attach to the broadcast.
This was decided long ago when the music companies tried to stop the recording of music from the radio via cassette tapes.
Chicken and company are right to cover their rears and look out for LSU a little in whatever way they see fit, but they are on the wrong side of this one, IMO.
This was decided long ago when the music companies tried to stop the recording of music from the radio via cassette tapes.
Chicken and company are right to cover their rears and look out for LSU a little in whatever way they see fit, but they are on the wrong side of this one, IMO.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 1:58 pm to ffishstik
quote:
If you're half as attractive as you are intelligent, then your "LSU Poppa" is one lucky guy!
You can only begin to imagine the truths you have spoken here!!
Posted on 2/23/09 at 2:05 pm to Tigercat
To be clear, Ihave absolutely no problem with how Chicken has handled this. For that matter, I don't have a problem with LSU requesting that they don't post the audio links here. My complaint is that LSU has created this situation by charging for audio feeds when most schools either provide it for free over there own sites or the affiliate radio stations do it with ads. Next thing you know, the LSU sports site will require TAF membership and a donation to the fricking "Traditon Fund" for access (after all, if you want updated stats, you always have the right to use a notepad, scorecard and a calculator, free of charge!).
Posted on 2/23/09 at 2:05 pm to Chicken
This is exactly how the U.S. auto industry played out over the last half century. They considered it too expensive to improve their product, so they spent all of their energy trying to wipe out the competition. People found ways to get what they wanted, and you see the result today. Pick up a newspaper, idiots.
Or, if you like, the reason communism fails. The sole producer of a product or service (i.e. the government) has no motivating cause to improve their product because they are the only producer and there is no competition. After a while, people just stop using the product, rather than pay for a ridiculously substandard one.
The GZ will not be more successful as a result of this. They may get a very brief spike in subscriptions over the short term, but their poor quality will ultimately be the determining factor in their failure.
Find a clue, Billy Bob. Figure someting out for once in your life.
Or, if you like, the reason communism fails. The sole producer of a product or service (i.e. the government) has no motivating cause to improve their product because they are the only producer and there is no competition. After a while, people just stop using the product, rather than pay for a ridiculously substandard one.
The GZ will not be more successful as a result of this. They may get a very brief spike in subscriptions over the short term, but their poor quality will ultimately be the determining factor in their failure.
Find a clue, Billy Bob. Figure someting out for once in your life.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 2:15 pm to themunch
quote:Oh, for the streaming site, yes. I thought you were talking about the radio stations' over the air broadcasts.
Huh? So the site makes money just for me clicking on the page? hmmmmmmm
For the websites -- both the radio stations and the streaming sites like UStream -- the amount of webtraffic and number of "click throughs" on their site/page help them earn more ad revenue.
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