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Reality of the LSU Football Program
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:46 am
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:46 am
Nick Saban brought the program to a place it hadn't been since the 1960's. Miles kept it going for a short period of time but could not sustain it. Absent hiring another Saban LSU football will be what it is and always has been. A good but not great program who wins and SEC championship every ten years or so. 125 years of history gives you a great barometer of who you are and who you will be.
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:50 am to nola007m
That seems pretty accurate. LSU has a good team, not elite. All those #1 classes that Little Napoleon signs from High schools all over the country is not something LSU's current recruiting can match.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:51 am to nola007m
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Nick Saban brought the program to a place it hadn't been since the 1960's. Miles kept it going for a short period of time but could not sustain it. Absent hiring another Saban LSU football will be what it is and always has been. A good but not great program who wins and SEC championship every ten years or so. 125 years of history gives you a great barometer of who you are and who you will be
We get a good HC with good asst coaches and shut down the talent drain from La and we will return to dominance. Saban is cherry picking our state as are other schools. This reminds me of the Hallman days. Saban put a recruiting wall around La while he was HC. Miles did too for a while. After we began hemorrhaging talent to Bama and other schools it went South.
We don't need an elite coach to beat Saban. Gus has proven that. We need all our 5 and 4 star recruits. That is our problem.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:53 am to JKChesterton
Auburn, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M have all beat Bama more recent than we have. Those programs aren't any further along than we are.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:56 am to ShermanTxTiger
No doubt. When next years NFL draft comes around, there will be 2 potential 1st-2nd round talents that are DL. J. Tillery (Notre Dame) from Shreveport 6-7 310 and I. Buggs (Gumps) from Ruston, 6-4/5 range and 290ish.
You think having those guys on LSU's roster would help LSU at LOS. D. Smith the WR was hurt so he did not start. Had he started, Saban would have had 5 starters from LA playing for him last night. Carter the Safety from Kentwood, Moses from B.R. and Buggs from Ruston on Defense. Smith from New Orleans at TE. I don't think they have that many from Alabama starting for them.
You think having those guys on LSU's roster would help LSU at LOS. D. Smith the WR was hurt so he did not start. Had he started, Saban would have had 5 starters from LA playing for him last night. Carter the Safety from Kentwood, Moses from B.R. and Buggs from Ruston on Defense. Smith from New Orleans at TE. I don't think they have that many from Alabama starting for them.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:57 am to nola007m
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Reality of the LSU Football Program
Here's the reality:
LSU has needed to implement a modern passing game since 2009.
It has been 9 full years and they have failed to do so.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:57 am to nola007m
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125 years of history gives you a great barometer of who you are and who you will be.
So Nebraska and Tennessee should be perennial top ten teams any day now correct?
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:58 am to nola007m
quote:first your title, then your post led me to this point:
Reality of the LSU Football Program
We're not a "program" in the sense of how it should work. We do not have all aspects working towards the same goal pulling in the same manner. The pieces aren't fitting together.
We have a team, recruiting coaches, coaching coaches, an athletic admin, a school admin, a booster foundation, a student-athelete foundation, and a compliance department.
Throw them together and you don't have a "program", you have a jumbled mess with some who have different goals/expectations, some who want to help another entity, some working against the others, some who see this as a business and not athletics, etc.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:59 am to ellis197575
Texas A&M had a crazy talented QB (crazy talent and just a crazy arse dude). That is why they won. Auburn won a game on Kick Six and did win last year straight up. Ole Miss won on flukes, in both games Alabama turned the ball over big time, the game in Tuscaloosa Ole Miss won in 2015 I think Bama turned it over like 5 or 6 times.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:00 pm to JKChesterton
Where are Bama’s offensive line players from....?
Any from La?
Maybe we should fish in that pond?
Any from La?
Maybe we should fish in that pond?
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:03 pm to Robbytiger
Seems like Bama gets a lot of linemen from the Monroe area.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:08 pm to Robbytiger
Only the TE. The Center is from Iowa. He is a projected 2nd round pick. The left tackle a projected 1st rounder is from California. Cotton the LG is a local product. Leatherwood is from Pensacola, and Willis the RT is from Lexingon, Kentucky. So stop and think about that, from TE to tackle 6 elite players, all from 6 different states and only 1 from the state of Alabama.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:10 pm to nola007m
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Reality of the LSU Football Program
Other programs have better rich people than ours does.
They give more, pay under the table better, are more hands on.
Our big donors just seem kind of...there.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:24 pm to JKChesterton
quote:Fences! Gotta get the fence up and focus on LA talent!
Only the TE. The Center is from Iowa. He is a projected 2nd round pick. The left tackle a projected 1st rounder is from California. Cotton the LG is a local product. Leatherwood is from Pensacola, and Willis the RT is from Lexingon, Kentucky. So stop and think about that, from TE to tackle 6 elite players, all from 6 different states and only 1 from the state of Alabama.
I cringe when I see that on this board. Fences work both ways; they keep people out too. Recruiting is an active duty, not passive. Put a priority on getting the best of the best, then put the resources into it... and go let every 5* and most of the 4* OT in the nation we're interested.
Seems we don't want to roam too far for OL, DL too. A QB or pass rusher we'll go all over the country. But there's some sort of wall at the Sabine, I-20, and the other side of the Landmass. In some cases, seems we just take the best of what's available... after the best has been picked clean by Bama, TAMU, AU and some extent UTx.
Yes, there are exceptions. I call them 'exceptions' because they aren't frequent enough year over year to indicate a change in philosophy, or priority. That 5* OT is just as important as that QB or RB.
Seems like we just throw our hands up many times when they don't come to us. Orgeron was across town from a 4* OT in Cali during the bye week. He's pretty much settled on USC, but open. He has one SEC offer- Bama. Hell, he has one offer out of the W coast- Bama. At least offer him, maybe go visit since you are about 60 mi away. Oh, and this kid moves like an OT should be able to.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:26 pm to nola007m
The problem with playing in the SEC is that even though LSU is a top 10-15 all-time program, there are 5 other SEC programs that are also at that level over the long term.
Tennessee and Florida are a little below their long term program level right now and Georgia is a little above theirs. LSU auburn and Alabama are right about at their long term level currently.
It is difficult in the SEC for any program other than Alabama to win a championship without a great coach like Saban or a great player like Tebiow or Cam that raises the program above their historical norm for a few years
Tennessee and Florida are a little below their long term program level right now and Georgia is a little above theirs. LSU auburn and Alabama are right about at their long term level currently.
It is difficult in the SEC for any program other than Alabama to win a championship without a great coach like Saban or a great player like Tebiow or Cam that raises the program above their historical norm for a few years
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:28 pm to ShermanTxTiger
When did LSU dominate? How SEC championships?
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:29 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:our 'program' boxes that stuff out. We do not utilize them, legal or not.
Other programs have better rich people than ours does.
They give more, pay under the table better, are more hands on.
Our big donors just seem kind of...there.
There is a good reason for that just as there is a very good reason for a completely independent compliance department that the coaches can't influence.
HOWEVER, there are ways to go about it. There's a difference between 'independent' and 'hostile'.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:29 pm to nola007m
The reality is Ed Orgeron is the head coach and we have an OC who didn’t even want the job, but
“I’m the head coach and we are gonna do what I wanna do”
“I’m the head coach and we are gonna do what I wanna do”
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