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re: RB position next year

Posted on 1/6/13 at 10:51 am to
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 10:51 am to
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God I hope Hill and Blue light up spring practice and force the offensive playcallers to get away from this running-back-by-committee nonsense.

I would like to see a 2 back rotation with them as well

They both have a good enough combo of power, speed, and vision to help the offense be complete.
Posted by Child of the Missip
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 10:51 am to
Don't forget guys that Blue has only gotten better since he came to LSU and was looking to have a great year earlier in 2012. I look to him to be the leader of running backs and lead the calvalry. Hopefully he hasn't lost a step.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 10:54 am to
Honestly I'd like to see the carries about 40% each for Blue and Hill and maybe 20% at most to the other backs and hopefully all in junk time.
Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:00 am to
Lacy is relatively predictable, yes, but he's spelled by Yeldon, who can do just about anything, like Hill. Lacy's also harder to bring down than our power runners, so the predictability is offset to a degree (if you can't stop it, it really doesn't matter if you know it's coming).

But you're not seriously suggesting that Ford doesn't almost always run outside every play he's in, that Ware either blocks or runs inside with the occasional reception, that Hilliard and Copeland just ineffectually charge into the line of scrimmage twice a game and that Hill and Blue aren't by far and away the best tandem on the roster, are you?

I love our running game but it's just too predictable. Hill and Blue as a 1-2 tandem would have all we need at running back and not be predictable, either.
Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:01 am to
Yep, and the playcall isn't telegraphed by the player at halfback. If you replace one with the other, we can still feasibly do anything from a dive up the middle, an outside toss, screen, you name it. Only thing the two really need to work on is pass blocking (or receiving out of the backfield). It was nice having Ware be such a beast blocking, but again, predictability....
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:08 am to
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It's nice when you can keep your HBs fresh and not overwork them with carries (both for their effectiveness as runners now, and for their futures in the NFL), but not when you only do one thing with each of them every single time.

Ever lovin' THIS.

The biggest problem with our run offense is that anyone can predict the play by just observing who is in the game. And that is not to mention that there doesn't seem to be any imagination on blocking schemes.

I'm certainly no offensive genius, but the offense just looks so boring and predictable it makes me wince.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:09 am to
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Yep, and the playcall isn't telegraphed by the player at halfback. If you replace one with the other, we can still feasibly do anything from a dive up the middle, an outside toss, screen, you name it. Only thing the two really need to work on is pass blocking (or receiving out of the backfield). It was nice having Ware be such a beast blocking, but again, predictability....

Couldn't hurt to use Hilliard some at FB again to have a legit run and receiving threat at that position also

At least if it's those 2 guys getting the bulk and Ford getting the remainder, you've got guys that can break it on almost every play.
Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:13 am to
Hill/Blue combo with Hilliard and a side of Ford works for me.

Which, as you noted in the OP, probably means we're getting a heavy dose of Hilliard and Copeland up the middle for 2 yards a play

ETA: What's the word on Magee? I don't know a thing about him. Sounds like he's another good one, but I'd have thought he would see the field at some point this year
This post was edited on 1/6/13 at 11:14 am
Posted by VernonPLSUfan
Leesville, La.
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:16 am to
If Ford carried the ball 20 times he would easily get a 100 yds. plus every game. He is under used, and like stated above, when he is in, its pretty much an outside run. If you want to compare high school stats, he ranks among the best ever. He broke Cecil Collins single game rushing yardage, and didn't have as strong as a line as Cecil did. I'm a little biased, and Hill is a stud no doubt, and I like Ware/Blue also. But rb's are like qb's. They need touches to get in some sort of rhythm, and Miles is fricking them by not letting this happen. Saban does it, why not Miles?
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
35731 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:20 am to
will anyone here get upset if the question is asked?


Why did we burn a redshirt on McGee, his frosh year?
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:22 am to
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Ford isn't very good. Not sure why people like him. Terrible between the tackles and is BY FAR the worst blocker of all the backs.

5.8 yards per carry... Second only to Blue.

You are a moron
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76112 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:35 am to
I think Hilliard has proven before he can be good. I think it is stupid to just make a blanket statement like he isn't that good. He didn't get the carries later in the season for whatever reason the coaches deemed.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:44 am to
Hilliard, Blue, Ford, and Hill are all very good backs and each would get the bulk of the carries at almost every other school.

It easy to forget how spoiled we've been at this position over the last few years but when you look at the numbers, you're quickly reminded.

We still have a stable going into next season.

Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:48 am to
Lacy and Todd Gurley are pretty good
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:50 am to
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5.8 yards per carry... Second only to Blue.


If he ran the inside plays like Ware and Hill it wouldn't be close to that. He's an outside specialist that doesn't have near enough carries up the middle compared to other backs to warrant you bringing up his YPC. He's a change of pace that runs out of bounds.

He is also TERRIBLE at pass protection. Whiffs half the time.
Posted by dutchtiger
Member since Jun 2012
511 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:51 am to
No Hilliard?
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:55 am to
It's Hill, Hill, Hill, and more Hill.

Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:56 am to
I think Ford has the physical ability to be a superstar but for whatever reason can't separate himself. He is not and will not ever be an every down between the tackles back. He is one dimensional.

Hill and Blue have all his abilities outside and are more all-around in other aspects. They should get 80% and get spelled in the 3rd by Hilliard and Ford.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2785 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:58 am to
I predict Ford won't be back. What has been frustrating both for the backs and us is that with four or five good ones it is impossible to have enough snaps for all of them. Hill finally broke away from the rest and the outcome was that there were even fewer carries available for Ware, Ford and Hilliard. Just think if Blue had been able to play?

Next year a three man rotation, Hill, Blue and Hilliard will be much easier to handle. I hope they all get a chance early on to show who gets the playing time. Hilliard is still a great back and may fix whatever needed fixing and come back greater than ever.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:04 pm to
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If he ran the inside plays like Ware and Hill it wouldn't be close to that.

How do you know this?

quote:

He is also TERRIBLE at pass protection. Whiffs half the time.

He's gotten better but still not great, what about his success as a kick returner?

Clemson short kicked on their last kickoff because they were afraid of him.

Seems like you just want to hate on the kid by saying he's not that good.
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