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re: Ranking the hierarchy of the 14 SEC schools' Big 3 sports and a ? about LSU's

Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:43 pm to
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:43 pm to
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Dude, when LSU is in the CWS, the attention that game grabs equals the attention of LSU-Auburn in football.



Even if that was true, LSU plays 3 other games equal to an LSU/Auburn game each season.
Posted by LSUfan4444
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:46 pm to
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hen LSU is in the CWS, the attention that game grabs equals the attention of LSU-Auburn in football.


And thats evident by 100,000 people in attendance in Omaha and millions of TV viewers.

Wait....ummmm, maybe not.
This post was edited on 1/22/16 at 7:46 pm
Posted by Tom Bronco
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:53 pm to
The list isn't silly, it is stupid! You say that at South Carolina basketball is a distant third but when they start off the season 10-0 then all of a sudden they are having sell outs of games even if they are on tv. Obviously winning helps the popularity of any sport and likewise losing can make it go south.

If LSU basketball went to the tournament every year and the football and baseball teams had losing seasons, do you still think people wouldn't follow basketball as much as the other two?

I still remember my dad taking me to a Tiger game in the 50's against Auburn where Tiger Stadium wasn't half full. People support winners which make them feel good about themselves, not just sports.
Posted by El Campo Tiger
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Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:00 pm to
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LSU plays 3 other games equal to an LSU/Auburn game each season


True.

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BayouBengals03


I've enjoyed all of your posts. I'm not going to defend the 1a 1b thing any further, but I think if there is a gap, it's smaller than you think.




This post was edited on 1/22/16 at 8:02 pm
Posted by PiscesTiger
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Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:01 pm to
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The list isn't silly, it is stupid!


Sorry, professor. I should have posted "Is Les Miles still on the hot seat" and I guess that would have been better.

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You say that at South Carolina basketball is a distant third but when they start off the season 10-0 then all of a sudden they are having sell outs of games even if they are on tv. Obviously winning helps the popularity of any sport and likewise losing can make it go south.


Speaking of stupid...if you believe what you just said, then hello, kettle. So, since 2000 or even 2010, you think SC puts basketball in favor over baseball? You're talking about one year -- a flash in the pan year at that.

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If LSU basketball went to the tournament every year and the football and baseball teams had losing seasons, do you still think people wouldn't follow basketball as much as the other two?


You're late to that party. It happened 25 years ago, but baseball was just as good. And we are talking reality...not idealism. The 2006 LSU basketball team is the only one that was followed as much as the teams like the '81 and '90 squads. They went 14-2 in the SEC. YET, I could still buy a ticket to any home game for 10 bucks. Meanwhile, February and the 30 degree weather sellouts for the first baseball game are laughing at your opening night for a "Final 4" caliber team.

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People support winners which make them feel good about themselves, not just sports.


So you think UK fans will call it quits after a 15-15 year and their football team makes the Capital One Bowl? Wanna know why I know you're dumb?
Posted by El Campo Tiger
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:04 pm to
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And thats evident by 100,000 people in attendance in Omaha


If you want to talk attendance, if LSU plays at Missouri, I think more LSU fans travel to Omaha for the CWS than a football game in Columbia, wouldn't you agree?

Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:11 pm to
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I've enjoyed all of your posts. I'm not going to defend the 1a 1b thing any further, but I think if there is a gap, it's smaller than you think.

Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:13 pm to
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If you want to talk attendance, if LSU plays at Missouri, I think more LSU fans travel to Omaha for the CWS than a football game in Columbia, wouldn't you agree?


I think those numbers would be closer than you think. Also, the CWS is a week and it's during a lot of peoples' vacation time. Let's say the amount of people who actually travel to Omaha from Louisiana is about 15K (just a rough and maybe even a generous guess). I think 10-15K LSU fans would definitely go to Columbia no matter how good or bad both football teams are...unless LSU is winless and getting outscored 35 to 10 on an average.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:14 pm to
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If you want to talk attendance, if LSU plays at Missouri, I think more LSU fans travel to Omaha for the CWS than a football game in Columbia, wouldn't you agree?


Yes, playing for a national title in the second most popular sport at a school would do that.

By using that logic, does the fact that more UNC fans traveled to the ACC football championship game than to the sweet 16 mean football is more popular than basketball?

Or, do you think what the teams were playing for, who they were playing and where they were playing played a bigger role than what is actually "more popular"?
Posted by c on z
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:26 pm to
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February and the 30 degree weather sellouts for the first baseball game are laughing at your opening night for a "Final 4" caliber team.

This sounds like a lot of bullshite.
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:29 pm to
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LSUfan4444


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That's evident by the 100,000 fans in Omaha. Oh wait.


quote:

El Campo Tiger


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If you want to talk attendance, if LSU plays at Missouri, I think more LSU fans travel to Omaha for the CWS than a football game in Columbia, wouldn't you agree?


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LSUfan4444


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By using that logic, does the fact that more UNC fans traveled to the ACC football championship game than to the sweet 16 mean football is more popular than basketball?


Now you are arguing with yourself. You brought up attendance to decide which sport is more popular. I'm saying that more fans will travel to Omaha than Columbia, so by your logic (attendance), wouldn't baseball be more popular than football?

I've attended several games in Little Rock where about 5k LSU fans made the trip for an LSU-Arky football game, whereas about 15k made the trip to Omaha. Do I think LSU Baseball is MORE popular than LSU Football? No. By your logic (attendance figures), it would appear to be.

Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:30 pm to
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his sounds like a lot of bullshite


Well, we know you've never been to opening night at The Box.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:44 pm to
First, you compared a CWS game to an LSU/Auburn game then you backtracked and changed it to Mizzou. The discussion changed dramatically at that point.

No, LSU vs Auburn in football draws more attention (in terms of attendance, viewership, interest) from LSU fans and on a national scale than a CWS game.

It isn't even close and thats because LSU football is more popular to LSU fans and casual fans around the country.

Mizzou is a different argument....Columbia is the newest school in the SEC, with no history and little interest from LSU football fans and unless both teams are competing for a conference (or at least division title) it will draw very little national/casual interest.

LSU has more football opponents similar to Auburn then it does Mizzou. Mizzou is the exception to the football rule.
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:52 pm to
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First, you compared a CWS game to an LSU/Auburn game then you backtracked and changed it to Mizzou. The discussion changed dramatically at that point


I used LSU-Mizzou because it is similar in distance to Omaha.

If you want to stay with Auburn, fine. More LSU fans travel to Omaha for baseball than they do Auburn for football.

You used attendance as a determinate, so let's stay with that.

Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
56543 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:08 pm to
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You used attendance as a determinate, so let's stay with that.


Attendance was ONE factor I used...why are you ignoring tv viewership (other than it hurts your argument)?

From an popularity standpoint, nothing generates as much interest for LSU baseball than the CWS. From a football standpoint, nothing generates less than a road game in Columbia Missouri.

So, if you want to compare apples to apples, lets say LSU was playing Auburn in the College football playoff. I can promise you more fans would attend than they would the CWS, more LSU fans would watch and so would more casual fans.

LSU played against Wisconsin in Houston last year in football to kick off the season in a non conference match up, then 6 months later returned to the same city for a baseball series in a non conference matchup early in the season....the attendance wasn't even close to being comparable.

It's not 1a and 1b....football is clear cut 1 and it's not even close. You've got a better argument saying basketball is 2, than you do baseball is 1b.
Posted by El Campo Tiger
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Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:23 pm to
I'm not going to include viewership because college football is way more popular nationwide than college baseball.

If LSU baseball only played seven home games, and 12 games total, would they average 90k a game? Probably not.

However, if you count the number of LSU fans who go to Omaha compared to the amount of fans that attend any SEC Football road game, I guarantee you there are more LSU fans in Omaha.

It's not 1a and 1b, but you bringing up attendance in the first place is stupid because of the amount football games played compared to baseball. That's why I use the Omaha analogy against you.

Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
56543 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:29 pm to
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(Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:31 pm to PiscesTiger)
El Campo Tiger
At LSU, Baseball and Football are 1a and 1b.



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(Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:23 pm to LSUfan4444)
El Campo Tiger
It's not 1a and 1b




You've admitted you were wrong, it's not 1a and 1b. I don't really have anything else to say.




Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 12:01 am to
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At LSU, Baseball and Football are 1a and 1b.


maybe for a few, but for the overwhelming majority, it's really not...
Posted by Croozin2
Somewhere on the water
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 6:05 am to
You continue to compare a national championship baseball tournament with a regular season road football game. Apples/oranges
This post was edited on 1/23/16 at 6:07 am
Posted by Malaysian Tiger
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 6:15 am to
I think at one time before Skip was here it was more like:
1. Basketball
2. Football
3. Track Mens and Womens
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