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Posted on 1/2/10 at 11:37 pm to tigerswin03
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you can look at any coach in any game and question his decision making,fact is les is a head coach of a top 20 program earning 400k per year i wish i was that idiot
EXACTLY!! Maybe the point is, Miles is not so dumb. Maybe he sounds a little goofy, acts a little funny, and makes some mistakes. Maybe the coaches who know him have a higher opinion of him than his own fan base.
Posted on 1/2/10 at 11:41 pm to SS4LSU
a big part of miles reputation is his looks and his public speaking ability (or lack thereof). anyone in corporate america knows that one's ability to speak (in meetings with peers, to customers, public speaking engagements, etc) greatly enhances one's career. in some cases, more so than actual performance. additionallly, good public speakers know how to communicate, that is, get a point across where others can understand it. coach miles has great difficulty in doing that. he really struggles with answering questions with clear concise understandable answers. that leads people to think he is either withholding information or doesn't know the answer. (therefore he appears dumb). if you notice, he never says anything bad about any player, coach or anyone. i'm sure he has been schooled as to the legal pitfalls of mispeaking in his open profession and he doesn't want a player to get the wrong idea about any public comment he makes. add all of this together and he comes off goofy. i'll bet he barely passed speech in college. having said all of that, it really doesn't affect his job. i have heard he is very good at one on one communications and that really is what matters. public speaking is powerful, unfortunately, great public speakers look good and are perceived to be smart and it isn't always true.
Posted on 1/2/10 at 11:41 pm to Choctaw
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Repeatedly calling someone an idiot and stupid really weakens your argument
As you can already see, English was not even close to my strength. I was trying to a response as to why coaches would come to work for someone whom so many think is stupid, when they probably know him better. Point taken.
Posted on 1/2/10 at 11:44 pm to LSU GrandDad
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LSU GrandDad
I always enjoy your comments.
Posted on 1/2/10 at 11:44 pm to Choctaw
This is one of the rare times I agree with Moneyg and Choctaw. I gave this guy an honest response on why people accept or decline jobs and he glosses over it to further his point.
I think Les Miles is an idiot, but it wouldn't necessarily mean I wouldn't accept a job working for him. I've worked for idiots in the past and in the last 10+ years had probably a few employees that thought I was an idiot.
The coaching profession is unique in it's high profile public nature, but in essence it isn't night and day different that any other prospective employer-employee relationship.
Then again, this board doesn't require many real answers and I've been guilty of that myself. I just don't reference random co-workers when intending to ask questions about people I call idiot.
I think Les Miles is an idiot, but it wouldn't necessarily mean I wouldn't accept a job working for him. I've worked for idiots in the past and in the last 10+ years had probably a few employees that thought I was an idiot.
The coaching profession is unique in it's high profile public nature, but in essence it isn't night and day different that any other prospective employer-employee relationship.
Then again, this board doesn't require many real answers and I've been guilty of that myself. I just don't reference random co-workers when intending to ask questions about people I call idiot.
Posted on 1/2/10 at 11:46 pm to SS4LSU
SS4LSU, thanks man. i appreciate that. 
Posted on 1/2/10 at 11:47 pm to SS4LSU
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As you can already see, English was not even close to my strength. I was trying to a response as to why coaches would come to work for someone whom so many think is stupid, when they probably know him better. Point taken.
What does that mean?
Posted on 1/2/10 at 11:50 pm to LSU GrandDad
it's a rumor, and i will qualify it as such ...it may have been debunked at some point, but i don't recall seeing it here.
i heard a story that BG allegedly was aware of the party where several UF players got drunk, and the DL wound up getting a DUI. he was quietly "encouraged" to leave due to it. not sure how culpable he was or if he was just a scape goat.
this doesn't necessarily say why he decided to come to LSU, but he was out at UF and LSU was a high profile program with an opening.
i heard a story that BG allegedly was aware of the party where several UF players got drunk, and the DL wound up getting a DUI. he was quietly "encouraged" to leave due to it. not sure how culpable he was or if he was just a scape goat.
this doesn't necessarily say why he decided to come to LSU, but he was out at UF and LSU was a high profile program with an opening.
Posted on 1/2/10 at 11:58 pm to drizztiger
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I gave this guy an honest response on why people accept or decline jobs and he glosses over it to further his point
Yes but you also had some job security bullshite to go along with Miles taking care of people crap also. The point was, if everyone thinks he is an idiot and his ship is sinking why get on the damn titanic?
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I think Les Miles is an idiot, but it wouldn't necessarily mean I wouldn't accept a job working for him.
Well there you go, I guess that is all we need to know about you. You would knowly go to work for an idiot. Not unless that was my only choice.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 12:00 am to SS4LSU
I've heard somewhere that Gonzales was passed over for maybe the OC job at UF(?) once before and wasn't happy about it. So perhaps there was some silent animosity there and he was just waiting for the chance to jump.
And what better place to jump than to another SEC team where your recruiting connections can really hurt the program that hurt you.
Another thing I've been considering concerning BG's coming to LSU was that perhaps he could see the writing on the wall concerning Crowton and was possibly (?) promised the OC position. IDK.
Concerning Frank Wilson: IMHO, it came down to two words.....Lane Kiffin. Not to mention, the situation really fit in the fact that he had the chance to come back home. To me, Kiffin comes across as an arrogant, spoiled little prick. He's riding on his dads coat tails for all he's worth. Frankly, I was surprised to see EO take a job there for that very same reason.
On a side note, it's almost to the point of embarrasing how some of you act on here. It's like this site is half full of 16 year old kids. Please, try to act like an adult when you post. If you can't, just don't post. The constant whining is old hat and juvenile, at best. I disagree with some of the things Miles does just as much as most on here, but the fact is, he's our coach. If you can't support him and our team, you never were a fan to begin with.
And what better place to jump than to another SEC team where your recruiting connections can really hurt the program that hurt you.
Another thing I've been considering concerning BG's coming to LSU was that perhaps he could see the writing on the wall concerning Crowton and was possibly (?) promised the OC position. IDK.
Concerning Frank Wilson: IMHO, it came down to two words.....Lane Kiffin. Not to mention, the situation really fit in the fact that he had the chance to come back home. To me, Kiffin comes across as an arrogant, spoiled little prick. He's riding on his dads coat tails for all he's worth. Frankly, I was surprised to see EO take a job there for that very same reason.
On a side note, it's almost to the point of embarrasing how some of you act on here. It's like this site is half full of 16 year old kids. Please, try to act like an adult when you post. If you can't, just don't post. The constant whining is old hat and juvenile, at best. I disagree with some of the things Miles does just as much as most on here, but the fact is, he's our coach. If you can't support him and our team, you never were a fan to begin with.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 12:06 am to GeauxTigers0107
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GeauxTigers0107
Now there you go!! Thanks for the comments.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 12:07 am to SS4LSU
quote:You sir are a brickhead.
SS4LSU
quote:It's bull that Miles has taken care of coaches he had to let go? I don't think so. McCarthy was paying players and is getting his salary through February, let alone Mallory and Peveto situations, etc.
you also had some job security bullshite to go along with Miles taking care of people crap
quote:The reasons I listed moron: 1) Money, 2) Career Advancement, 3a) Family concerns, 3b) Stability.
if everyone thinks he is an idiot and his ship is sinking why get on the damn titanic?
quote:So you wouldn't leave your job as a trash collector to become VP at Microsoft for a 150% salary increase with the knowledge that you will be gaining experience and have more responsibility but also may not have a position in 1-2 years if the current CEO is ousted.
Well there you go, I guess that is all we need to know about you. You would knowly go to work for an idiot. Not unless that was my only choice.
Of course you wouldn't. Why? Because you are a narrow-minded fool without the ability to think of situations on multiple levels.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 12:09 am to LSU GrandDad
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LSU GrandDad
Well said.
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public speaking is powerful, unfortunately, great public speakers look good and are perceived to be smart and it isn't always true.
Very true. See: POTUS
Posted on 1/3/10 at 12:11 am to SS4LSU
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Now there you go!! Thanks for the comments.
YQW
Posted on 1/3/10 at 12:16 am to lake o tiger
Why wouldn't BG want to work under Urban Meyer? Look at all his assisstants getting head coaching jobs now
As far as Wilson goes, I think he really wanted to come home, plus if Miles is canned he has a great chance of being retained because of his ability to recruit in LA
As far as Wilson goes, I think he really wanted to come home, plus if Miles is canned he has a great chance of being retained because of his ability to recruit in LA
Posted on 1/3/10 at 12:16 am to drizztiger
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3b) Stability.
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It's bull that Miles has taken care of coaches he had to let go? I don't think so. McCarthy was paying players and is getting his salary through February, let alone Mallory and Peveto situations, etc.
All great arguements if Les was still the coach after next year, but you still are not reading what I said. IF they (Gonzales and Wilson) thought or knew Les was an idiot and believed what many on this board post. They would know both job security and being taken care will not be an option. Why is that so hard for you to understand? I didn't think all your comments were fallable, just those.
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So you wouldn't leave your job as a trash collector to become VP at Microsoft for a 150% salary increase with the knowledge that you will be gaining experience and have more responsibility but also may not have a position in 1-2 years if the current CEO is ousted.
Seriously? you are comparing a job as trash collector to become the VP at Microsoft to a lateral move from one SEC school to another? Wow, you sure know how to put things in perspective.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 12:19 am to SS4LSU
It does not make any sense. Your comments are spot on.
However, be that as it may, life is a multi-facted thing, inclusive of behind-the-scenes decisions and agreements, psychological posturing and hypothesizing, and miscalucations (ever by the "bright" among the coaching profession)...so who knows what these guys are thinking...
Miles is still far from the coach many thought he was when we where winning 11 and 12 per year.
Miles is a confused, slow-thinking man in "REAL-TIME". I emphasize "REAL-TIME" becuase there is a BIG difference between finite and impulsive decision making, and for that matter intelligence.
Miles is a very slow thinker who has a 286 processor in a 10GHz world.
Miles is a quality man/person/Father/Husband and a strong recruiter (so far), who carries a poor philosphy into game day, and is hard-headed, and is in a general sense in way over his head.
However, be that as it may, life is a multi-facted thing, inclusive of behind-the-scenes decisions and agreements, psychological posturing and hypothesizing, and miscalucations (ever by the "bright" among the coaching profession)...so who knows what these guys are thinking...
Miles is still far from the coach many thought he was when we where winning 11 and 12 per year.
Miles is a confused, slow-thinking man in "REAL-TIME". I emphasize "REAL-TIME" becuase there is a BIG difference between finite and impulsive decision making, and for that matter intelligence.
Miles is a very slow thinker who has a 286 processor in a 10GHz world.
Miles is a quality man/person/Father/Husband and a strong recruiter (so far), who carries a poor philosphy into game day, and is hard-headed, and is in a general sense in way over his head.
This post was edited on 1/3/10 at 12:27 am
Posted on 1/3/10 at 12:21 am to SS4LSU
It was hyperbole, of course.
Again, enjoy your New Year, I have explained why people accept or decline jobs. You don't have to accept reality, no problem.
Again, enjoy your New Year, I have explained why people accept or decline jobs. You don't have to accept reality, no problem.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 12:23 am to therocketscientist
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Miles is a very slow thinker who has a 286 processor in a 10GHz world.
LOL, maybe that is correct. Great guy, smart in many situations but takes too long get a quick answer to a complex problem. Could explain some of the press conferences after a game and the clock management situation. Funny analogy though. Thanks.
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