re: QB debate should center around one thing: Offensive Production

Posted by TheDoc

doc is no more

Member since Dec 2005

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Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:12 pm to TigerSinceBirth4Life

quote:
I think JL should be given the opportunity to play first, though

the coaches who see them every day in practice disagree

Posted by Tugwell City Tiger

Member since Feb 2010

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Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:12 pm to TigerSinceBirth4Life

Here is something to chew the fat on while debating this crap. Look at 4 th quarter last year in most the games, after all the 3 and outs the defense was worn out.They were givin up points faster than Lee could throw a pick 6.Point is a pick 6 is one play not being able to move the ball adds 20 to 25 plays a game more on the D.AND POINTS AGAINST US

Posted by The Easter Bunny

Santa Barbara

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Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:14 pm to TIsuGGER

Let's do it fairly and just look at games against "real" opponents

quote:
Lee
Auburn – 8 series, 3 TDs, 1 FG = 23 points
Miss St – 9 series, 4 TDs, 2 FGs = 34 points
Fla - 10 series, 3 TDs = 21 points
So. Car - 8 series, 3 TDs, 1 FG = 24 points
Ga - 12 series, 5 TDs, 1 FG = 38 points
Bama - 13 series, 3 TDs = 21 points
Ole Miss - 5 series, 1 FG = 3 points
Aub - 1 series, = 0 points
Bama - 4 series, 1 TD = 7 points

quote:
Jefferson
Ole Miss - 6 series, 1 FG = 3 points
Ark - 13 series, 3 TDs, 3 FGs = 30 points
Ga Tech - 11 series, 5 TDs, 1 FG = 38 points
Wash - 9 series, 3 TDs, 1 FG = 24 points
Vandy - 11 series, 2 TDs, 3 FGs = 23 points
Miss St - 13 series, 2 TDs, 1 FG = 17 points
Ga - 11 series, 2 TDs, 2 FGs = 20 points
Fla – 8 series, 1 FG = 3 points
Aub - 10 series, 4 TDs, 1 FG = 31 points
Bama - 6 series, 1 TD = 7 points
Ole Miss - 11 series, 2 TDs, 1 FG = 16 points
Ark - 9 series, 2 TDs, 3 FGs = 23 points
Penn St - 13 series, 2 TDs, 1 FG = 17 points

Totals:
Lee -- 70 series, 28 scores, 171 points; 2.44 points per series, scored on 40% of drives

JJ -- 131 series, 47 scores, 252 points; 1.92 points per series, scored on 36% of drives

Then if you don't count the games against Florida and Bama...

JJ - 117 series, 45 scores, 242 points; 2.07 points per series, scored on 38% of drives

Still impressive to see difference, but just wanted to be more fair and not count games against Tulane, LaTech, and ULL

Posted by Russell2Bowe

Memphis

Member since Jan 2010

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Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:15 pm to TigerSinceBirth4Life

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I mean, as a freshman he scored almost every other time he touched the ball

and the rest of the time, the other team scored off him...

Posted by TIsuGGER

Member since Apr 2009

2321 posts

Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:16 pm to moneyg

quote:
The OL in 2008 was 10x better than the OL in 2009. Compare the production of Charles Scott from the two years and you'll see a huge difference.

Lee's numbers are comparable either year, but better than JJ's either year, so it doesnt matter which line he was behind.

JJ was better with the 2008 line, but he was an unknown quantity. Once teams started stacking the box, scoring drives dropped to a 3rd of attempts.

And take away special teams and deffense (which were much better in 2009) JJ would have had a 6-6 season.

So you cant credit Lee with a better offense, yet ignore the difference JJ's improved defense and special teams made.

Posted by TIsuGGER

Member since Apr 2009

2321 posts

Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:19 pm to Russell2Bowe

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and the rest of the time, the other team scored off him...

LSU opponents scored 48 TDs or FGs off Lee mistakes?

Thats when people stop reading your posts.

Posted by TigerSinceBirth4Life

Member since Sep 2007

1590 posts

Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:21 pm to TheDoc

quote:
the coaches who see them every day in practice disagree

I'm not calling for their heads. At least not yet. This is merely my opinion.

Posted by P bean

Member since Dec 2006

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Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:23 pm to TIsuGGER

Honestly your thread is very flawed, you have to factor in the run game contributing to scores, chuck had 18 rushing tds in that 2008 season... I wonder if that has anything to do with it...

Posted by TIsuGGER

Member since Apr 2009

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Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:26 pm to P bean

quote:
Honestly your thread is very flawed, you have to factor in the run game contributing to scores, chuck had 18 rushing tds in that 2008 season... I wonder if that has anything to do with it...

Unless they were runs of 80 yards, the team had to move down the field in order for Scott to break one off. He was no speed demon.

Posted by TIGRLEE

Northeast Louisiana

Member since Nov 2009

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Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:27 pm to TIsuGGER

I thought it was the JL haters that crowned their argument on stats?

good post tigger.

Posted by TIsuGGER

Member since Apr 2009

2321 posts

Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:36 pm to P bean

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chuck had 18 rushing tds in that 2008 season... I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

went back and checked 9 of his TDs were when Hatch or JJ was at QB. TDs run from Scott while Lee was at QB were from 1 yard, 1 yard, 5 yards, 2 yards, 2 yards, 1 yard, 7 yards, 30 yards, and 1 yard

Posted by RobbBobb

Matt Flynn, BCS MVP

Member since Feb 2007

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Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:40 pm to TIsuGGER

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TDs run from Scott while Lee was at QB were from 1 yard, 1 yard, 5 yards, 2 yards, 2 yards, 1 yard, 7 yards, 30 yards, and 1 yard

C'mon Tigg, dont you know that JLee was only successful because CS was busting off those 1 and 2 yd TD runs. Stop trying to pump sunshine up JLees arse by suggesting that he was good by having the team inside the 5 yd line before handing off to Scott.

Posted by P bean

Member since Dec 2006

4679 posts

Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:41 pm to TIGRLEE

"Unless they were runs of 80 yards, the team had to move down the field in order for Scott to break one off. He was no speed demon."

srry, bout quotes on i phone, but serious? So chuck and his 1200 yards rushing, and 200 plus carries
that year didnt move the team downfield in 2008? Dont forget chuck went off against several teams in 2008 including 140 or so against georgia and auburn and just under 100 against bama, not to mention other games...
Everyone keeps talking about the oline and run game in 2008 being the difference
for a reason, your thread is very flawed, lets factor in the run game here its a big part of this stat comparison that you are leaving out... For instance I bet we ran for a lot more yards and scored more touchdowns running it in 2008 then in 2009....
Anybody care to look up those stats and post them his guy?

Posted by P bean

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Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:41 pm to TIGRLEE

Posted by P bean

Member since Dec 2006

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Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:45 pm to P bean

Oops didnt mean to post twice, but regardless chuck rushed for 1200 yards or so in 2008... If you dont think that had anything to do with it yoir an idiot, and by the way all chucks 1 yard runs were in 2009, chuck was a beast in 2008 and went all sec homos...

This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 7:47 pm

Posted by TIGRLEE

Northeast Louisiana

Member since Nov 2009

31493 posts

Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:46 pm to P bean

quote:
P bean

quit fricking posting.
you arent going to win this.

This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 7:46 pm

Posted by TIsuGGER

Member since Apr 2009

2321 posts

Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:47 pm to P bean

quote:
Anybody care to look up those stats and post them his guy?

Scott was having a very good year before Lee inherited the team against Miss St.

It has been posted ad nauseum that our run game suffered in 2009 because teams were stacking the line to make JJ beat them deep. He could not.

Thats why Scott only had 28 yards in 2008 against Arky when JJ had to start.

Posted by P bean

Member since Dec 2006

4679 posts

Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:49 pm to TIGRLEE

Win what, you thread sucks... Post running game stats from 2008 and 2009, this thread has no merit...