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Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:45 pm to TruLsu
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whoa dude you calling me out for blaming Lee on this? learn to read a little better I have done nothing but defend him on that play
No not at all, I meant to say "dumbasses" covering everyone who thinks a screen is a qb read. They simply are timing plays with pulling blockers, obviously someone missed their block>
It just fell after your post
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:46 pm to RobbBobb
I would rather go into half time with a close game and just win like we did against Washington. I just dont feel comfortable enough giving lee the start in Atlanta when he hasnt proven that he wont turn the ball over. Hpw hard is that to understand? If the offense sucks so bad then put lee in. Lee takes too long to settle down. Id rather go into half time up with a shitty offense then down cus our qb gave the ball away.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:48 pm to the LSUSaint
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It just fell after your post
thought you misread one of my posts or something... as far as Mcelroy, he did just enough to keep the opposing D honest, JJ didnt quite do that this year. In 08 Lee did just enough to keep the D honest because they knew he was gonna take a chance and sling it, of course he made mistakes got picked a lot but still the fact was the D had to respect him enough to not load the box
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:51 pm to learnthehardway
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do any of you think JJ can pose a vertical passing threat to opposing defenses ?
NO
Too tentative
Does not appear to have any touch on long passes
Fades back so far he would have to throw 62 yards in the air for a 50 yard pass
His singular focus on the primary receiver would lessen the chances of a WR going deep being open.
One thing they should do (for those that insist he must play) is roll him out more. Lessens the chances of a sack, and it appears to improve his accuracy (the couple of times I saw him play in HS, he rolled out a lot).
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:51 pm to RobbBobb
Lafell had the WORST and I mean WORST hands I've ever seen when he was a freshman. He dropped everything in site.
But , shocker, he learned and got better and we3 let him play.
Why is it hard to fathom that Lee isn't better and more mature. We know for a fact that he is a better pure qb than JJ.
And I would like to add that getting sacked and using timeouts to get lined up and everything else JJ does bad has led to many points for the other team.
But , shocker, he learned and got better and we3 let him play.
Why is it hard to fathom that Lee isn't better and more mature. We know for a fact that he is a better pure qb than JJ.
And I would like to add that getting sacked and using timeouts to get lined up and everything else JJ does bad has led to many points for the other team.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:53 pm to Icansee4miles
quote:i completely agree with this, this was one facet of JJ's game I enjoyed watching, he was very good on designed roll outs. the problem was he kept trying to roll out on non designed roll outs, he would get in trouble run around get sacked....
One thing they should do (for those that insist he must play) is roll him out more. Lessens the chances of a sack, and it appears to improve his accuracy (the couple of times I saw him play in HS, he rolled out a lot).
Posted on 3/31/10 at 6:18 pm to the LSUSaint
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We know for a fact that he is a better pure qb than JJ.
i dont know if its FACT but it sure as hell looks that way. JL appears to do better with going through his reads and standing in the pocket. his arm is without question stronger than JJ's. both QB's make me nervous for different reasons , hopefully SOMEBODY comes around and matures in the fall. right now i think JL gives us a more ballanced offense and a better chance to win but if JJ fixes some of his more glaring defects i will be thrilled with that to.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 6:39 pm to learnthehardway
I just want to chime in and repeat what I said earlier. Any of you vehemently defending one of these guys over the other time is retarded. fricking retarded.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 6:50 pm to Hot Carl
Regardless of yards per carry, the rb's rushes produced 1400 in 2009 in comparison to 2200 in 2008, not to mention 15 tds in 09 to 27 tds in 08 rushin... Why dont you compare rushes by 1st downs from 2008 and 2009, rushing game produced significantly more 1sts in 2008 than in 2009... Runing the ball succesfully keeps the ball and moves the chsins ask bama nitwits... In 2007 we ran on everyone and took home the crystal ball, we need to get back to running over defenses it works, if you cant understand how badly we were missing that in 2009 then youre an idiot, why do you think the coaches have such renewed determination to regain our run game?
Im the only one still arguin with you fools, this thread has gotten so bad...
Im the only one still arguin with you fools, this thread has gotten so bad...
This post was edited on 3/31/10 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 3/31/10 at 7:40 pm to Hot Carl
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I just want to chime in and repeat what I said earlier. Any of you vehemently defending one of these guys over the other time is retarded. fricking retarded.
+1
it was fun messing with these guys for a while, but now, I truly think they are completely crazy.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 9:48 pm to smash williams
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And what were the stats for Charles Scott in 2008 and 2009 respectively? This is getting ridiculous people.
You pointed out the flaw in the stats. Lee had Bret Helms at center and Herman Johnson blocking for him. JJ had T-Bob and Josh D blocking for him. Scott ran wild with Johnson and Helms but didn't do anything with T-Bob and Josh D blocking for him. If you look at stats from the Bowl game when JJ had Helms and Johnson on the O-line his stats will blow Lee's stats to hell and back. The main problem last year was the center of the O-Line was weak.(Josh D, T-Bob, Hitt)
Posted on 3/31/10 at 11:23 pm to TIsuGGER
quote:To me, this is a very telling stat. In 2008 JL took the majority of the snaps and we ran 115 more plays and wasn't that the year they had that crazy running clock rule to try and speed up the game. If so, that is even a bigger difference than the raw numbers tell. Also, it's not like we ran fewer plays in 2009 because we had a quick strike offense.
2008 - Total Plays 886; Yards Per Game 368.1
2009 - Total Plays 771; Yards Per Game 304.5
Posted on 4/1/10 at 12:58 am to XbengalTiger
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If so, that is even a bigger difference than the raw numbers tell. Also, it's not like we ran fewer plays in 2009 because we had a quick strike offense.
And if you factor in the supposed better run game in '08, everyone knows the run game is going to burn the clock. Therefore, you would expect the team with a better run game to have less plays. Not so.
The only answer to that is, the '09 offense kept coming off the field after a ton of 3-and-outs.
Posted on 4/1/10 at 1:19 am to TIsuGGER
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2008 - TIME OF POSSESSION/Game 30:13 (LSU) 29:47 (opp)
2009 - TIME OF POSSESSION/Game 27:50 (LSU) 32:09 (opp)
Wow. That's with Lee throwing picks too.
Posted on 4/1/10 at 1:22 am to aglandry
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You pointed out the flaw in the stats. Lee had Bret Helms at center and Herman Johnson blocking for him. JJ had T-Bob and Josh D blocking for him. Scott ran wild with Johnson and Helms but didn't do anything with T-Bob and Josh D blocking for him. If you look at stats from the Bowl game when JJ had Helms and Johnson on the O-line his stats will blow Lee's stats to hell and back. The main problem last year was the center of the O-Line was weak.(Josh D, T-Bob, Hitt)
16/25, 64%, 5.6 average. 142 yards. 1 TD. 2 sacks.
I don't remember JJ getting sacked by DTs much last year. Or being flushed out of the pocket. I do remember him getting happy feet and running into DEs though.
This post was edited on 4/1/10 at 1:24 am
Posted on 4/1/10 at 6:14 am to RobbBobb
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The only answer to that is, the '09 offense kept coming off the field after a ton of 3-and-outs.
Sure felt that way-good to see numbers backing it up. Watching our offense last year was like water torture-drip, drip, drip, drip. A slow and painful death. People keep blaming the run game decline on big Herm and Helms leaving-clearly that hurt, but so did 9 in the box because the opposing DC quickly figured out JJ wasn't going to throw more than 5-7 yards downfield.
Posted on 4/1/10 at 9:19 am to dgnx6
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I would rather go into half time with a close game and just win like we did against Washington. I just dont feel comfortable enough giving lee the start in Atlanta when he hasnt proven that he wont turn the ball over. Hpw hard is that to understand? If the offense sucks so bad then put lee in. Lee takes too long to settle down. Id rather go into half time up with a shitty offense then down cus our qb gave the ball away.
you gotta remember though...JJ does well when he knows its not his job anymore...I would start Lee and if he doesnt do well. Put JJ in the second half...He'd prob tear it up...Just how he is...needs to be pushed and not given the job like last year...
Posted on 4/1/10 at 9:23 am to TIsuGGER
Are your stats accurate???
I'm not reading through the 11 pages to see if my post is German or not, but Jefferson scored a touchdown against Troy.
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Jefferson
Troy - 4 series, = 0 points
I'm not reading through the 11 pages to see if my post is German or not, but Jefferson scored a touchdown against Troy.
This post was edited on 4/1/10 at 9:29 am
Posted on 4/1/10 at 9:43 am to catholictigerfan
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