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re: QB debate should center around one thing: Offensive Production
Posted on 3/31/10 at 4:30 pm to TruLsu
Posted on 3/31/10 at 4:30 pm to TruLsu
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i specifically remember this happening on the second against UGA the one against BAMA and the one against Troy
Very well may have happened but like I said depending on the play/formation, there may have not been anyone near them to tackle. Even if we started at our own 20 and the first play he threw a pick to a linemen and they ran it back it would still be 20 yds which is a lot so that stat is really skewed to make it seem like reggie bush was out there juking dudes.
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Posted on 3/31/10 at 4:30 pm to TruLsu
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screen pass in which Loston made an absolute brilliant play on the ball. He had to know it was coming, seeing the safety was cheating to the line and broke on the ball before randle broke on the route
And seasoned safties wont do this in the SEC?
Posted on 3/31/10 at 4:33 pm to More beer please
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And seasoned safties wont do this in the SEC?
Sure they will. And Julio Jones us showed why they shouldnt.
Loston knew the play was coming and cheated. Had Randle turned upfield. TD!
Posted on 3/31/10 at 4:34 pm to More beer please
quote:not saying they wont, but odds are since they are not practicing against it daily they wont recognize it as quickly as loston did, and on top of that the WR couldve made a better play knocking the ball down, but thats what scrimmage is for to let them know this and to fix it.
And seasoned safties wont do this in the SEC?
Posted on 3/31/10 at 4:35 pm to RobbBobb
quote:exactly and on top of that if RR catches it and the block is laid on Loston as it was drew up, there is no deep safety and likely a TD
Sure they will. And Julio Jones us showed why they shouldnt. Loston knew the play was coming and cheated. Had Randle turned upfield. TD!
Posted on 3/31/10 at 4:40 pm to TruLsu
Dumbass, please listen, someone was responsible for blocking the safety on the play! Lee HAS to throw it, he has trust that his teammates will get the required block. That's why the play works when it does.
How can you be so fricking retarded to blame Lee? He doesn't "read" the defense on screens, it's not a progression play where you jump from one receiver to another. It's an auto throw where timing is the real key to the qbs job on this play.
MISSED BLOCK
How can you be so fricking retarded to blame Lee? He doesn't "read" the defense on screens, it's not a progression play where you jump from one receiver to another. It's an auto throw where timing is the real key to the qbs job on this play.
MISSED BLOCK
This post was edited on 3/31/10 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 3/31/10 at 4:44 pm to TruLsu
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there is no deep safety and likely a TD
I think thats why you could here Miles say "Whoa" He did not expect to see Loston to be in that position. If Loston does that in a game, and the pass goes somewhere else, he gives up an easy TD.
But it also Lees responsibility to keep him honest, so it goes both ways.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 4:46 pm to the LSUSaint
quote:whoa dude you calling me out for blaming Lee on this? learn to read a little better I have done nothing but defend him on that play
Dumbass, please listen, someone was responsible for blocking the safety on the play! Lee HAS to throw it, he has trust that his teammates will get the required block. That's why the play works when it does. How can you be so fricking retarded to blame Lee? He doesn't "read" the defense on screens, it's not a progression play where you jump from one receiver to another. It's an auto throw where timing is the real key to the qbs job on this play. MISSED BLOCK
Posted on 3/31/10 at 4:46 pm to TIsuGGER
you should subtract how many points each qb has given to the other opponent then you will have a better number to judge from.
I just dont think Lee should start the first game. rather have a close game and win then let lee give the other team pints.
I just dont think Lee should start the first game. rather have a close game and win then let lee give the other team pints.
This post was edited on 3/31/10 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 3/31/10 at 4:54 pm to TheDoc
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the coaches who see them every day in practice disagree
If they see them as well as they see the clock running in the final 30 seconds when we have a timeout, I'm not surprised.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 4:58 pm to dgnx6
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rather have a close game and win then let lee give the other team pints.
How do you have a close game and win, then let the other team score points
Once you win the game, isnt all the point scoring over?
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:06 pm to RobbBobb
i am gonna wade off in this shite again with the same question.....
do any of you think JJ can pose a vertical passing threat to opposing defenses ?
do any of you think JJ can pose a vertical passing threat to opposing defenses ?
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:08 pm to learnthehardway
quote:I personally think he is too tentative to throw it up down the sideline accurately when TT or RR get single coverage, so honestly no I dont think poses a threat. I do hope that if he starts that he proves me wrong.
do any of you think JJ can pose a vertical passing threat to opposing defenses ?
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:18 pm to the LSUSaint
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QB debate should center around one thing: Offensive Production
Dumbass, please listen, someone was responsible for blocking the safety on the play! Lee HAS to throw it, he has trust that his teammates will get the required block. That's why the play works when it does.
How can you be so fricking retarded to blame Lee? He doesn't "read" the defense on screens, it's not a progression play where you jump from one receiver to another. It's an auto throw where timing is the real key to the qbs job on this play.
MISSED BLOCK
I haven't bothered to go all the way through this thread, so I may be misunderstanding what you guys are talking about, but....without looking back at the play, it seems to me that the receiver was across the line of scrimmage. If so, blocking the safety before the ball is caught is offensive pass interference. If the receiver is behind the line of scrimmage (and perhaps he was), then the safety can be blocked before the ball is thrown. That's why the bubble screen became all the rage for awhile. It just seemed to me that the receiver was past the line of scrimmage.
As far as the screen being an auto throw, I found out the hard way one night that I at least needed to be more careful with it. I threw an interception on a screen against Neville that was returned for a touchdown in the biggest game of the year. I've felt lower...but not often.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:20 pm to TIsuGGER
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2008 - TIME OF POSSESSION/Game 30:13 (LSU) 29:47 (opp)
2009 - TIME OF POSSESSION/Game 27:50 (LSU) 32:09 (opp)
2008 - RED-ZONE SCORES 43-47 91%
2009 - RED-ZONE SCORES 35-40 88%
2008 - RED-ZONE TOUCHDOWNS 35-47 74%
2009 - RED-ZONE TOUCHDOWNS 24-40 60%
2008 - Total Plays 886; Yards Per Game 368.1
2009 - Total Plays 771; Yards Per Game 304.5
How can anyone argue with these numbers? Where are the ppl wanting to use the stats against JLee? Not only did he get into the red zone more, he scored a hell of a lot more TDs.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:22 pm to TruLsu
[quote]Dumbass, please listen, someone was responsible for blocking the safety on the play! Lee HAS to throw it, he has trust that his teammates will get the required block. That's why the play works when it does
So we don't blame Lee in his first game in 2008 games against Auburn and Georgia...at what point do you learn to see the saftey creeping up and get out of the play....I root for all of our QBs, however when the exact issues are showing themselves 2 years later; if nothing else, is cause for concern
So we don't blame Lee in his first game in 2008 games against Auburn and Georgia...at what point do you learn to see the saftey creeping up and get out of the play....I root for all of our QBs, however when the exact issues are showing themselves 2 years later; if nothing else, is cause for concern
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:24 pm to TruLsu
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I personally think he is too tentative to throw it up down the sideline accurately
and where is our "much improved" running game without even the threat of throwing the ball over the top ? i am not saying we need 300 passing yards a game , just the ability to keep defenses honest. right now we dont have that and i assure you every DC on our schedule is aware of that fact.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:29 pm to learnthehardway
quote:i completely agree with this, our running game wont improve unless we are able to bust a few down field. I feel with Lee we have a better shot of this and it will benefit the running game. Passing games and running games go hand in hand, a good running game benefits the passing game as a good passing game benefits a running game
and where is our "much improved" running game without even the threat of throwing the ball over the top ? i am not saying we need 300 passing yards a game , just the ability to keep defenses honest. right now we dont have that and i assure you every DC on our schedule is aware of that fact.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:42 pm to TruLsu
Bama was perfect example. You think people didnt want to make Mcelroy beat them. Ofcourse they did but all he had to do is have a little consistancy hold on to the ball and let the D and running game dictate the game. Nice to have field position because of a stellar D. Thats how we can win. JJ will find more confidence because he is the 3rd key to success instead of the key.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 5:44 pm to LSUGoo
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I root for all of our QBs, however when the exact issues are showing themselves 2 years later; if nothing else, is cause for concern
But JJ still looking tentative, scrambling around, and taking sacks is a brand new development, and no cause for concern?
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