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re: Program of the Decade

Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:04 am to
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
13436 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:04 am to
Top tier:

LSU, UF, USC

Since 2000:

LSU 90-27, 2 BCS #1, 4-0 in BCS games, 4 top 5 finishes

UF 87-29, 2 BCS #1, 4-0 in BCS games, 3 top 5 finishes

USC 93-22 1 BCS #1 (+2003 AP), 6-1 in BCS games, 7 top 5 finishes

Second Tier:

OSU, OU

Posted by Cinci Tiger
Ohio
Member since Jan 2008
593 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:04 am to
quote:

What about USC?


Dude get off the USC bandwagon
Posted by otowntiger
O-Town
Member since Jan 2004
16213 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:13 am to
From a national perspective, they'll be no debate. It's Florida hands down at the moment. What happens next year will decide for sure, but I'd bet most will give UF that crown for now.
Posted by Bayou Bomber01
Houma, LA
Member since Jan 2005
195 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:15 am to
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When Florida repeats next year, there will be no doubt. I hate to say it but it is true.


Nope, it's LSU's turn again next year.
Posted by H-Town Tiger 98
Houston, Texas
Member since Jul 2005
4545 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:15 am to
USC and it's not even close
Posted by Amp4LSU
West Monroe
Member since Sep 2006
334 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:16 am to
just like the typical bcs mess, why don't we just say there's another 3-way tie right now for the mythical team of the decade:

1a - Florida
1b - LSU
1c - USC
4 - Texas
5 - Oklahoma
Posted by Santa Clause
123 Fake Street
Member since Apr 2004
11451 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:19 am to
LSU
FLA
USC
OU
UT
OSU

Top 3 are almost interchangeable, I just give LSU an edge because they won the Conference of the Decade 3 times, more than FLA, and played in 4 BCS games--winning ALL of them. USC can def make a case, but you have to go with the team with the most championships IMO.


Posted by H-Town Tiger 98
Houston, Texas
Member since Jul 2005
4545 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:24 am to
quote:

LSU 90-27, 2 BCS #1, 4-0 in BCS games, 4 top 5 finishes

UF 87-29, 2 BCS #1, 4-0 in BCS games, 3 top 5 finishes

USC 93-22 1 BCS #1 (+2003 AP), 6-1 in BCS games, 7 top 5 finishes


Plus USC has two Heismans, Florida one and LSU none.

LSU is not in this debate anymore thanks to another 5 loss season. And Florida needs to repeat or else its the Trojans.

Take off the P&G glasses and just enjoy the fact that we're in the top 5.
Posted by JawjaTigah
On the Bandwagon
Member since Sep 2003
22760 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:30 am to
Maybe dumb question: when do you end the decade? End of 2009 season (Jan 2010)? Or end of 2010 season (Jan 2011)? Is there consensus?
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
13436 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:33 am to
I think there can be arguements made for all three teams (UF, LSU, USC)

But from start to end of the season, who has the most years where they were in the national title discussion.... USC has 7 straight top 5 finishes, and hasn't had a season with more the 2 losses since 2001, neither LSU of UF can say that.

If you are talking about team of the decade (or even team on the 00's) then based on consistancy, it would tilt to USC....

LSU has 5 seasons with 3 or more losses, UF has 6 with 3 or more losses since 2000.
Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9160 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:35 am to
quote:

when do you end the decade?

Decades are 0 to 9.

This post was edited on 1/9/09 at 9:45 am
Posted by Amp4LSU
West Monroe
Member since Sep 2006
334 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:42 am to
if we were discussing 'conference of the decade' there's no question which conf is #1. Pac-1(0) wouldn't be in the top 3. with 70-85% of their games coming out of the Pac-1(0), how can they be considered the team of the decade?

i agree that they're in the Overall Top 3 teams: FL, LSU, USC.
Posted by Suck Out West
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Dec 2006
5932 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:48 am to
quote:

USC has 7 straight top 5 finishes, and hasn't had a season with more the 2 losses since 2001, neither LSU of UF can say that.


And USC can't say they've done it against better competition.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12537 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:57 am to
quote:

You can bring up conference strength or whatever, but that all goes out the window when they have a substantially better resume.
Then Concord De La Salle has both of us beat, with way more wins and titles than either LSU or SC (since strength of schedule is irrelevant).

LSU and UF are the contenders, and it is close enough to dead even that next season will almost certainly decide it (as mentioned before, this is assuming a 2000-2009 decade; if we go 2001-2010, then the next two years will decide it).

If SC has another great season and wins another National Championship, then they rise to create a 3 way tie.

I don't know why something as inane and absurd as either the AP poll or the even more pointlessly subjective Heisman would be considered in a debate about strenght of programs. If we're going that route, then Brian Boitano was the most dominant program of the '90s (or whenever the hell he skated).

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12537 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 10:03 am to
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Oh c'mon. Put USC in the SEC from 02-08 and they never go 8-5.
But in this DECADE, they went below .500 in the Pac 10, something LSU has never done in this DECADE in the SEC.

Why can't you just stick with the relevant topic (this DECADE, which has absolutely nothing to do with a period starting in 2002), rather than intentionally twisting the subject to find a way to put LSU lower than we deserve to be placed in the conversation at hand.

Why eliminate a period clearly in the relevant time period where LSU was so much further ahead of SC than SC has ever been ahead of LSU in any season this decade? Can you honestly come up with a rational reason for eliminating the 2000 and 2001 seasons from consideration in a discussion on the "Program of the Decade"?

Of course not. You just had to find someway to tear down other people's opinions of LSU. Which is the only motivation for anything you have to say.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12537 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 10:07 am to
quote:

The SEC teams USC has played recently (all good teams)
2005 Arkansas was a "good team"? 4-7?

quote:

don't let it get so intense that you look dumb as hell
Pot, kettle . . .

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12537 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 10:09 am to
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Damn, you may very well be the biggest homer I've ever seen
No one who insists on ignoring 2000 and 2001 from a discussion of the "program of the decade" has any room to question the objectivity of anyone. You are so ridiculously biased and unobjective on this it is laughable. Bama fans could only dare to dream to reach your levels of bias and homerism.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12537 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 10:12 am to
quote:

If you want to base your argument around losing to Stanford, why not include Arkansas from this year? Arkansas did go 2-6 in the SEC this year, but I guess that's not inferior either because that would hurt your bias
So Arkansas was a 40 point dog that beat us in Tiger Stadium this year? Oh, that's right; they were neither as big an underdog NOR playing us on our home field. But of course that's nothing your blind homerism can't completely ignore.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12537 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 10:22 am to
quote:

For the 2001 (first year of the decade) through 2008, how can we not agree that USC has been the team of the decade, so far?
Several reasons. One, there is not necessarily consensus on whether the decade in question is 2001-2010, or the "2000s", which would run from 2000-2009. I mean, "the '90s" would logically include the ten years that included a 90 in their number (1990-1999), which would leave the next decade (this one) starting in 2000.

Two, LSU has never in this decade had a season as bad as SC's 2001 season.

Three, SC has never faced a schedule as rigorous as the one LSU has faced every year of this decade. Obviously some of the more deluded homers like LSU=AWESOME would try and pretend like SoS doesn't matter, but then the somehow ignore programs like De La Salle, whose wins, winning percentage and # of titles dwarf both LSU and SC.

Four, both LSU and Florida have more National Championships (that were actually earned on a field as opposed to being 100% based purely on nothing but the choices of sportswriters; always remember, there is absolutely nothing preventing the AP from voting an 0-12 AP "National Champions", and that title would have 100% as much legitimacy, validity and credibility as SC's claim to an '03 title).

Obviously SC has ammo to make their own arguments. And since there are no "official criteria" for this "award", it is impossible to objectively assess the respective programs' arguments. But only the blindest of homers would label the arguments of either LSU or Florida over SC as ignorant, deluded or particularly "homer"ish.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12537 posts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 10:26 am to
quote:

Repeating this over and over doesn't make it true. College football has a history of split titles and the last occurred in 2003.
Then neither of us have as many as Bama, because there's a guy in Tuscaloosa who has awarded a "split title" to the Tide every year.

Since we're including opinion titles that are irrelevant to the actual games played, I'm gonna go ahead and award LSU two National Championships for each year of the decade (including the ones not yet played), so go ahead and add 20 National Titles to the equation for LSU.

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