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re: Prediction for Football Season, tell me why I'm wrong
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:00 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:00 pm to Goldrush25
This thread is pure gold......
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:14 pm to TigerLunatik
“ credits Les with the Troy loss”
there is absolutely no rational reason for the LSU of today to lose to any Sun Belt conference team. Especially, at home for homecoming. The talent difference between those teams is like night is to day. That was a highly embarrassing loss for our program and it falls directly on the shoulders of Coach O and his staff.
Coach O hired a OC for the tune of 1.5 mil a yr. that it turned out 5 games unto the season he couldn’t get along with necessitating the athletic director getting involved to help settle the staff down. That is in no way, shape, or form is the fault of miles and had more to do with the loss than any coach gone from LSU in 9/16.
It’s amusing to me the extent to which some will go to play CYA.
there is absolutely no rational reason for the LSU of today to lose to any Sun Belt conference team. Especially, at home for homecoming. The talent difference between those teams is like night is to day. That was a highly embarrassing loss for our program and it falls directly on the shoulders of Coach O and his staff.
Coach O hired a OC for the tune of 1.5 mil a yr. that it turned out 5 games unto the season he couldn’t get along with necessitating the athletic director getting involved to help settle the staff down. That is in no way, shape, or form is the fault of miles and had more to do with the loss than any coach gone from LSU in 9/16.
It’s amusing to me the extent to which some will go to play CYA.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:29 pm to Lonnie4LSU
I certainly agree with you and I think that has been beaten into the ground.
Honestly, I don't understand how someone could come away with a different take. But, as I said earlier in the thread, I try to respect everyone's opinion.
Honestly, I don't understand how someone could come away with a different take. But, as I said earlier in the thread, I try to respect everyone's opinion.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:41 pm to la_birdman
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6 of those 9 wins were to teams that had at least 6 losses. That's a fact.
At the time we played those teams, those teams didn’t have 6 losses. Not to mention, so did everybody else in the SEC who beat those same teams last year with good records last season. So, I understand why you are denigrating O’s record, it’s because you are an unhinged O hater, but why you aren’t denigrating those other teams either? Oh yeah, it’s because you are an unhinged O hater.
Man, the meaningless points you Einstein’s attempt to make just to denigrate O are really retarded, and it’s all not to give O any credit for winning when you geniuses all said he wouldn’t win 4 games last season. Go eat your crow you loser and STFU! Yeah, he had a winning record but he beat teams with shitty records. Well, that almost always is the case. It’s better than losing to them
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So let's not act as though it was like he beat teams that are on the level with Alabama,
What team in history ever beat six teams on the level of Alabama Einstein? Damn, you are dumb.
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the Notre Dame bowl game loss was a fluke?
It was a fluke loss and that is not even arguable. Anybody who watched the game knows it. You are just pissed off that LSU didn’t get blown out by Notre Dame.
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O is running the program into the ground
You haven’t listed one legitimate thing yet to even suggest that much less prove it. The only thing you demonstrated thus far, is that you are incredibly unhinged and extremely immature. I have had conversations with 13-year-olds that are far more intelligent and mature than you are. Indeed, you are nothing but an unhinged troll and a crybaby.
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Constantly repeating this doesn't make it true. Who is the head coach? Miles or Orgeron?
O is the head coach now, but he inherited that lack of depth problem from Miles, the previous head coach. Remember him, the previous head coach fired for incompetence? Which also means that Miles is responsible for those losses.
I’m sorry, you can’t blame something on O for something he is not responsible for doing. Unless that is you hate him with a passion and the truth doesn’t matter to you. Which is obvious because you are unhinged and exceedingly immature.
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Isn't O supposed to be one of the best recruiters out there? Or is this on Miles as well?
He is one of the best recruiters ever in college football and he did a spectacular job of recruiting last season, as the loss of just one immature 17-year-old player doesn’t spoil the outstanding job he did last year or the very good class he brought in.
As unlike Les Miles’ usually higher rated classes, O’s class actually, in stark contrast to Les Miles classes, met our needs, and there isn’t anything wrong or remotely bad with a 15th or 16th rated recruiting class if it meets your needs.
Indeed, if you think that is bad, then you need to go take a look at Clemson’s ratings the past few years. As they often finished 15th or 16th rated too, but unlike Miles’ higher rated classes, their classes met their needs.
In fact, that’s why O inherited a team from Les Miles last year with such a deficit of depth in the defensive and offensive trenches. It’s because Miles’ classes, although highly rated, never met our needs and that just goes to show you how much you don’t know anything about recruiting and about football.
Not to mention, that nobody that follows recruiting year in and year out can remember Louisiana ever having such a down recruiting year like last year, as those kinds of recruiting years just never happen in Louisiana. Yet despite the state being so down in talent, O still reeled in a very good class that meets our needs, by the way.
In fact, last year’s wide receiver class is rated the number one class in the nation, the defensive line class he pulled in is rated the number three class in the nation, the linebacker class is rated the number six rated class in the nations, and the offensive line class is rated the number nine class in the nations.
Indeed, it’s only low-information Einstein’s like you who don’t know anything about recruiting and football that attempt to diminish the really outstanding job that coach O did in bringing in this last very valuable recruiting class he just reeled in.
Not to mention, that no one gives O credit for reeling in Breiden Fehoko, Jonathon Giles, and Thaddeus Moss either. All three of those players will end up being very special players for LSU.
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He'll do that on his own.
You’re wrong again as always because the defense will be elite and the offense will be significantly better than last year.
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Troll confirmed.
You’re the troll because all you did in this post is make a laughing stock of yourself and prove at the same time that you don’t know anything about football.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:45 pm to tigervet89
LSU wins every game bc Coach O. Nuff said
Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:48 pm to Dave England
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You need to seek professional help.
Also, you are horrid at crafting arguments.
All I got to say, Einstein, is put your dumb money where your stupid mouth is and prove it. Otherwise, STFU you genius.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:50 pm to Space Cowboy
Coach O is a great coach y'all just wait and see
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:04 pm to Space Cowboy
Ok, Cowboy, I have a question for you. Yesterday I posted this:
Then, you responded with:
Can you explain please? I mean, this first part of my quote isn't even really debatable. That happened. And the second part I agreed with except for saying that it wasn't an absolute fact that we would have won, but very well could have.
How am I seeking little things to vilify and/or demonize Coach O? You lost me on that one.
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You: Canada was poison. Not only could coach O not stand Canada
Me: So, doesn't O deserve the blame for hiring a guy he didn't get properly. Canada's offense isn't even the offense O was looking for and that's straight out of his own mouth.
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You: the reason we improved against Alabama last year is that we stopped running Les Miles' old antiquated offense. Thus, since they didn't know the plays we were going to run before the ball was snapped like they always did before when we ran Les Miles' old antiquated offense, we outgained them and if we would have made just three more timely plays we would have won that game.
Me: I actually agree with all of this except that we WOULD have won that game, but the game plan gave LSU every opportunity to win. Complete a few of those deep passes and they COULD have won.
Then, you responded with:
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Man, I got better things to do that to babysit an O hater that seeks every little thing he possibly can to vilify and demonize coach O for nothing. Go fly a kite and stop boring me to death with nonsense.
Can you explain please? I mean, this first part of my quote isn't even really debatable. That happened. And the second part I agreed with except for saying that it wasn't an absolute fact that we would have won, but very well could have.
How am I seeking little things to vilify and/or demonize Coach O? You lost me on that one.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:05 pm to Goldrush25
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How were all of the players primarily Saban's players when Miles had the '05, '06, and '07 recruiting classes that were on that NC team? That's 3/4s of the team right there, moonbat.
You got a piss poor memory, moonbat. Because by far most of the players on that team were recruited by Nick Saban before he left for Miami. Let’s see, how many players did Miles recruit in 2005? Oh yeah, that’s right, just 13. Not to mention that most of the people on ESPN were also crediting Nick Saban too for recruiting that team as well because he did. Not just me.
The truth is when Miles arrived on campus, Nick Saban already had two national championship teams recruited and put up in the bank for him. Of course, because Miles was so mediocre, he didn’t win a national championship in 2006, but he should have, and, of course, we had to luck out with a huge miracle for us to even be in that title game in 2007, after Miles had lost two games to two teams we had no business losing too. Thus, we ended up being the first and only two-loss team to win a BCS national championship.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:10 pm to Space Cowboy
Listen, I hope every 3 star we recruited is the next Bennie Logan,
We need elite players to compete with Alabama.
Thats just how it is.
Did we get Elite OL DL? are any of the DL or Ol we recreuited top 100 in the country? (if you took the grades for out JUCos they are not top 100 players)
Our class rank is lower than it ever has been.
We didn't get ANY CBs which IS a position of need.
We didn't get a QB.
We didn't get a top 10 OT, OG, DT, NT or RB
This class is proped up by 2 highly ranked WRs a position NOT of need.
And it is ranked lower than any class has been in a long time.
Look at out offer sheets, we liked the players we got, but they weren't our top guys at a lot of positions.
We need elite players to compete with Alabama.
Thats just how it is.
Did we get Elite OL DL? are any of the DL or Ol we recreuited top 100 in the country? (if you took the grades for out JUCos they are not top 100 players)
Our class rank is lower than it ever has been.
We didn't get ANY CBs which IS a position of need.
We didn't get a QB.
We didn't get a top 10 OT, OG, DT, NT or RB
This class is proped up by 2 highly ranked WRs a position NOT of need.
And it is ranked lower than any class has been in a long time.
Look at out offer sheets, we liked the players we got, but they weren't our top guys at a lot of positions.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:20 pm to lsu2006
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Well you say Les is to blame for the Troy loss which occurred almost exactly 1 year from his firing as head coach. Surely he gets credit for our win against Auburn merely two weeks after that Troy loss, right? Or did O somehow manage to neutralize Les' invisible hand that had a grip on the program up until that point? I'm all ears if you're able to explain this phenomenon to me.
Didn't I answer this stupid assertion for you already? Shut up and pay attention this time.
Anyway, whose team did coach O inherit when he became the head coach? Oh yeah, Les Miles. So how is it O's fault that the team he inherited from Les Miles had a severe deficit of depth in the defensive and offensive trenches? It's not his fault. It's his predecessor's fault, Les Miles' fault. Obviously!
Moreover, once again, when O beat Auburn last year all those players that were out for the Moo State, Syracuse, and Troy State games had returned back to playing by that game. In fact, that was the first game since the beginning of the season that we were back up to full strength again.
Thus, because we were healthy by that point when we played Auburn, a lack of depth didn't play a major role in that game like it did in those earlier losses to Moo State and Troy State.
Are you really so dumb that you couldn't have figured that out on your own? Yeah, you are.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:35 pm to Space Cowboy
You answered it, but no one thinks depth is an excuse for losing to troy.
Sorry, but we had 1 OL starter out vs Troy.
We had more OL missing VS Auburn than we did against Troy.
We scored 21 points.
We didn't lose that game because the defense was bad. 24 points isn't great, but it is insurmountable. THey didn't drop 6o on us.
We lost that game because the offense stunk it up. After which O admitted to sorta tweaking the offense. Which probably means he totally fricked it up, because he is a lying sack of shite.
Sorry, but we had 1 OL starter out vs Troy.
We had more OL missing VS Auburn than we did against Troy.
We scored 21 points.
We didn't lose that game because the defense was bad. 24 points isn't great, but it is insurmountable. THey didn't drop 6o on us.
We lost that game because the offense stunk it up. After which O admitted to sorta tweaking the offense. Which probably means he totally fricked it up, because he is a lying sack of shite.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:40 pm to Space Cowboy
I honestly don't remember which players were out injured vs the Moos and Troy that were then available vs Auburn. Got a quick list for me?
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:44 pm to tigervet89
I’ll go out on a limb and say it’s hard to predict any of the games without seeing what LSU will look like offensively, so you could be wrong about a lot of the games
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:47 pm to JakeFromStateFarm
Jake, I think you summed up the entire argument everyone has been having in one simple post. Very well put.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 6:02 pm to tigervet89
We beat Florida and A$M and lose to either Ole Miss, Rkansas or Miss St
7-5
I would say the low would be 6-6 and the high being 9-2. So glad we fired Les and hired Zero. Such a great decision.
7-5
I would say the low would be 6-6 and the high being 9-2. So glad we fired Les and hired Zero. Such a great decision.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 6:14 pm to Space Cowboy
quote:He should've cashed them in instead of 8-5, 9-3
The truth is when Miles arrived on campus, Nick Saban already had two national championship teams recruited and put up in the bank for him.
If they were so great why didn't those recruits win a NC in '04 before mean ole Miles ruined them?
Seems it took Miles steadily molding those players from '05-'07 to turn them into a NC team.
quote:11-2, 11-2, NC, is more than Saban or any coach has ever produced at LSU, and a big improvement over 8-5, NC, 9-3.
Of course, because Miles was so mediocre, he didn’t win a national championship in 2006,
Then with his own recruits, Miles backed that up with another run never accomplished at LSU, 11-2, 13-1, 10-3, 10-3.
Mediocre
Posted on 2/28/18 at 6:25 pm to Space Cowboy
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You got a piss poor memory, moonbat. Because by far most of the players on that team were recruited by Nick Saban before he left for Miami. Let’s see, how many players did Miles recruit in 2005? Oh yeah, that’s right, just 13. Not to mention that most of the people on ESPN were also crediting Nick Saban too for recruiting that team as well because he did. Not just me.
So by that logic, O doesn't deserve credit for the 2017 recruiting class, as most of them had committed under Miles, right? Even still, he still had two full classes after 2005 so the NC was still majority his players. Not to mention, we may not even make the national championship game if Perriloux, a Miles recruit, doesn't play in the SEC championship that year
You just keep shitting on your own arguments, moonbat.
Also, was it Saban's recruits that got LSU to the 2011 national championship?
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