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re: PP21 signs mega deal with the Cards
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:39 am to coldhotwings
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:39 am to coldhotwings
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Could it be that teams are doing everything they can to make sure he doesn't have much opportunity to return the ball?
He's fumbling the ball too much (13x). PFF gave him a -3.8 on punt returns last season, and he averaged 6 yards per attempt
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Teams have been sacrificing punt distance for more hang time and sideline punts to not chance him taking it back to their endzone.
That isn't accurate based on fair catch statistics, and net punting yards against. They had the 2nd worst net punting average against them at 44.2 last season
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It doesn't help that his offense is pure garbage and the outcome of the game constantly rests on the shoulders of the defense.
Their offense isn't good, but they finished 12th in total offense last season.
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Most can argue he is a top 3 corner right now
With nothing to back it up. He needs to have his interception rate go up and his touchdowns to go down in order to be in that category
He just turned 24. Everyone else has a few years on him. He'll be #1 in a few years, he just hasn't had the production to warrant that talk yet.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 1:44 am
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 2:25 am to TigerBait1127
I'm assuming you have a PFF subscription. Can you get who scored on him last season? I know he spent 11 out of the 16 games shadowing the number 1 reciever and Megatron scored on him twice. Also can you find a stat of how many times he had either safety help compared to the other corners in the league?
Posted on 7/30/14 at 2:53 am to ThaGenius
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I'm assuming you have a PFF subscription. Can you get who scored on him last season? I know he spent 11 out of the 16 games shadowing the number 1 reciever and Megatron scored on him twice.
Off the top of my head, he gave up 1 to Graham on an inside slant where he was fell asleep and was too far away from him.
I think he gave up 2 to Megatron (1 for sure) and 2 to Andre. He fell asleep again on the long pass to Megatron. He thought the ball had been picked off.
Edit: He gave up a 62 yard TD to Danny Noble against the Jags
And 1 to Mike Preston vs. Tenn
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Also can you find a stat of how many times he had either safety help compared to the other corners in the league?
I don't think they have that stat. I was looking for it while defending him on reddit earlier. It would probably be deceptive due to the Cover 3 system that Seattle runs. Sherman plays the deep coverage most of the time and has underneath help
The touchdowns don't concern me as much as the lack of INTs and PDs. He just needs to be more consistent. He falls asleep on some plays (like the Graham TD and Megatron TD). 7 games with over a 100 Passer Rating against him
His limitations are focus. He seems worried about what his teammates are doing sometimes instead of sticking to his assignments.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 4:29 am
Posted on 7/30/14 at 3:45 am to TigerBait1127
Posted on 7/30/14 at 4:06 am to JW6
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He's top 5. Grow up buddy. He's 1 or 2
No, not at all.
He will be, and that's why he got paid. But Revis, Sherman, And Hayden are ahead of him right now, maybe a couple others as well.
I'm not sure what that has to do with me growing up though
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 4:09 am
Posted on 7/30/14 at 4:14 am to RadBro
Great for him.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 5:50 am to RadBro
That will buy a few more muscle cars
Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:02 am to TigerBait1127
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QBs had over a 90 Passer Rating against him
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Sherman had a Rating of 36
If they switched teams PP would have less than 36 and Sherman would have more than 90.
You can't use those numbers; it's silly. A better pass rush lowers those numbers. The Seahawks had a ridiculous front seven. You and I could have played back there and done better than 90.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:20 am to Penrod
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If they switched teams PP would have less than 36 and Sherman would have more than 90.
It is almost impossible to have a better passer rating against than what Sherman had. He intercepted every 7th pass thrown his way and got his hands on every 4th pass. He was perfect.
Interceptions play a large role in that number. Do you think that PP7 would have 8 interceptions in 58 targets like Sherman? He only touched the ball 9x on defense despite getting thrown out 90+ times with 3 going for INTS.
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You can't use those numbers; it's silly.
It would be silly to ignore them. PP7 struggled in the redzone and did not finish in the top 50 in Passer Rating against. You can't just throw out all of the stats.
Sherman plays his system perfectly. PP7 has yet to become a shutdown shadow corner like others in the league have done (i.e. Revis in the past). Quarterbacks do not fear him based on the # of targets. Sherman is CLEARLY a more productive player at this point whereas PP7 struggled in a lot of games last season.
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A better pass rush lowers those numbers. The Seahawks had a ridiculous front seven
Arizona actually generates a ton of pressure with a very creative 3-4 system. They bring their 4th and 5th from all over the place creating confusion.
They had more sacks than the Seahawks last year, but I do agree that Seattle has a better front 7.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 6:29 am
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:06 am to TigerBait1127
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Based on what? What has he done to claim that he is better than:
(in not particular order)
1) Sherman
2) Revis
3) Haden
4) Talib
5) Lewis
6) DRC
DRC shouldn't even be on this list and Revis is still living off of how he played 4 years ago. At this point, I think Haden is a better corner than Sherman. Haden and PP are actually playing on an island, without the best safety in the league, and locking down the opposing team's number one receiver all game. Sherman is good, but doesn't shadow the best receiver, has Earl Thomas as his security blanket, and gets away with some serious holding.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:16 am to sheeeeeit
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DRC shouldn't even be on this list
He's on it based on his production last year, which was great. I agree he hasn't been for his career. I just listed 6, there are others that have outperformed PP7 thus far.
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and Revis is still living off of how he played 4 years ago
Yea, that isn't true. PFF even has him as the #1 corner based off last year's play. He missed 2012 due to injury and was dominant in 2011.
He's still the best IMO.
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and locking down the opposing team's number one receiver all game.
That is the point. PP7 didn't lock them down last season.
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Sherman is good, but doesn't shadow the best receiver, has Earl Thomas as his security blanket,
They run a Cover 3 with Sherman usually taking the deep 1/3 of the field.
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nd gets away with some serious holding.
True dat, but that is the intelligent way to play the game. They aren't going to call it the 90% of the time.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 7:21 am
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:17 am to TigerBait1127
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but he's going to be #1 in 2 years
nah.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:21 am to bryso
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Do athletes typically tweet the amount of the contract?
He probably did it as a "frick you" to Richard Sherman
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:24 am to RadBro
Congrats to him and all the hard work he has put in. 
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:29 am to sheeeeeit
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DRC shouldn't even be on this list
He played great last season.
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Revis is still living off of how he played 4 years ago.
#1 rated corner in a bad scheme fit and coming off an ACL injury last year. He's still dominant and has been his whole career. If you can't see that, you're just being ignorant.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:30 am to TigerBait1127
Wow dude, why didn't the Cardinals consult you before signing the deal? You seem to be an expert scout. Which team do you scout for? Oh wait, you sit on the couch and play Monday Morning QB. Keep up the good work.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:32 am to jscrims
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Wow dude, why didn't the Cardinals consult you before signing the deal? You seem to be an expert scout. Which team do you scout for? Oh wait, you sit on the couch and play Monday Morning QB. Keep up the good work.
Straw man and ad hominem
He didn't say it was a bad deal. Just that he's not the best corner in the game. Which is true
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 7:33 am
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:34 am to wildtigercat93
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He's not a top 5 corner right now, but he's going to be #1 in 2 years.
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He will be, and that's why he got paid.
This is what I don't get about the "PP isn't top 5" crowd. Y'all keep saying he will be #1 in a few years. Do you know how ridiculous of an assumption that is?
Is there any other position in the NFL where you think this is the case? Name a QB, RB, WR, etc. who isn't currently top 5 but will jump to #1 in 1-2 years.
The fact is several GMs, coaches, pundits and players have stated that they think Patrick Peterson is one of the best, if not the best CB in the game.
You don't get 48 mil guaranteed on potential these days. And you damn sure don't get it if you aren't top 5.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:34 am to SportTiger1
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Jesus, I wish I was the best cover corner in the world
FIFY
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 7:36 am
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:38 am to PhiTiger1764
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This is what I don't get about the "PP isn't top 5" crowd. Y'all keep saying he will be #1 in a few years. Do you know how ridiculous of an assumption that is?
Not really. He's a really good corner, top 10 for sure and only 24 years old. Smart teams pay based on what that player will do throughout the contract, not what they've already done. He's obviously got a lot of room for growth and the potential to grow. I think he will
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Is there any other position in the NFL where you think this is the case? Name a QB, RB, WR, etc. who isn't currently top 5 but will jump to #1 in 1-2 years.
Andrew Luck.
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The fact is several GMs, coaches, pundits and players have stated that they think Patrick Peterson is one of the best, if not the best CB in the game.
Who in this thread has said he's not one of the best corners in the game?
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You don't get 48 mil guaranteed on potential these days. And you damn sure don't get it if you aren't top 5.
Jamarcus got 32 mil for a whole lot less
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 7:40 am
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