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Position group grades?

Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:07 pm
Posted by deuce985
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Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:07 pm
We all knew LSU was going to have a ton of questions coming into this year and we got our first game to see them. Now we'll have to keep an eye on them rest of the year to see how they progress.

Offensive line - D - Was really bad but even so, hard to say how this unit gels moving forward. You're starting a true freshman at LT who got ravaged. Should get better because it's not going to get much worse. As bad as they were Daniels made some bad decisions that was on him too.


CBs - B- - Outside cornerbacks played well, actually. Didn't give anything over the top except 1 trick play. Seems to be an assignment issue here on busted coverages on 3rd down conversions. They're clearly still learning how to play zone. QUestions still remain here how legit they are because I felt like FSU's WRs were not that good in this game.


LBs - F - Awful. No way to slice this. I saw tons of rotations on LBs and I have no clue what's going on here. The single worst thing about the defense. They hardly existed, were terrible making tackles, couldn't make easy plays for TFL, and were the main reason 3rd downs kept getting converted with busted coverage assignments. This looks like the weakest part of the team alongside OL.


Safety - C+ - Burns made a lot of plays but he missed some assignments alongside Ward. Looks bright here with Burns and main problems appear to be busted assignments that should get better.


Dline - B - Not what we thought they'd be but still played well all things considered. No Smith is going to make this unit take a significant step back so highly unlikely to meet expectations this season. Can still be very good. Mingo played well and made a lot of tackles. BJ got quite a bit of pressure. Consistent penetration with the QB making plays under pressure and also contained the run well. Started to get gassed in the 4th with the constant 3rd down conversions allowed from secondary/LBs.


WRs - C - Huge disappointment and we all know why. Did pick it up at the end but the major issue here was mainly OL not giving Daniels enough time and Daniels also not seeing the open guys fast enough. Outside Boutte, the WRs didn't get a bunch of opportunities to do much but they stepped up when they needed to. Not worried about this group just give them the ball. They were consistently open throughout the entire game but Daniels wasn't seeing the field well enough.


RBs - D - Not much to say here. Didn't get a lot of opportunity and the few times they did they didn't do a lot. Bad OL was main issues here.


QB - B - Daniels played well. I'm not sure why this board is ripping him. He's not flawless. He needs to do better on presnap reads, go through progressions faster, and learn to step up in the pocket more. He gets happy feet too fast before the pocket is actually collapsing. That said, his last drive was absolutely textbook. Perfect execution and perfect clock management. He played way better in tempo offense. Denbrock needs to seriously consider this moving forward.


TE - D - Taylor looks like a superstar in the making. Yes, he missed the block but this was his first game as a college player. He moves extremely well and carries his weight great for a player his size. Should be an elite TE when his career is over here. Needs to learn blocking that will come with time. Going to be a great receiving threat until then. Nice surprise here considering how weak the position is. All the TEs were terrible at blocking while in the game that I saw.


Special Teams - F - We all know why. No point breaking this down. Pollian needs his duties revoked.


Denbrock and House are concerning. I don't know what Denbrock was doing in 1st half. It took until the 4th quarter for him to wake up. Whether this was Kelly's fault or Denbrock who knows but I'm not a fan of what I'm seeing from his scheme. House played too much soft coverage with almost no adjustments in the game giving free 3rd down conversions. He also managed the LBs horribly which is his position group. Polian needs to moved to an admin position. He wasn't a good coach at ND.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:11 pm to
Daniels had under 100 yards passing until the final two drives where Florida state was in a prevent defense.

His final drive was dropping it off underneath and running. He wasn't bad but his refusal to go through his reads and his inaccuracy were on full display.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36041 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:12 pm to
Look at what we had before Kelly took over.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:13 pm to
You have no idea what his reads were
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
5356 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:15 pm to
quote:

He wasn't bad but his refusal to go through his reads and his inaccuracy were on full display.

On the last play, Jenkins was his 4th read. He went through 4 reads on that play in about 2 seconds.
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
24656 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:16 pm to
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You have no idea what his reads were


Go watch. He rarely made it thru his first read and then he’d run. Never stepped into the pocket.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:16 pm to
Yeah, he played very good in a tempo offense though. He was a totally different QB. FSU wasn't playing prevent either they switched defenses up to stop him and he started carving them up. It's like all the rust disappeared when they went to tempo. Denbrock for most of the game was running long developing plays and didn't give easy passes like shallow crosses. I don't know what the hell their gameplan was but Denbrock's scheme or BK whoever is responsible was awful in the first 3 quarters.

My guess on why we didn't see more slip screens, quick passes, etc. is Daniels doesn't have the touch. His accuracy issues were on full display when he tried to throw it quick on screens or out in the flat. That may be their reasoning because he was getting the RB/WRs killed there.

I'm really concerned with Denbrock and especially House. I really don't understand what House was running. Neither coach did a lot of adjustment in the game. Denbrock more so in the 4th. House just completely the shite the bed with the soft coverages. They would literally line up 5 yards off the 1st down marker sometimes. It had to be the easiest 1st downs anyone could throw completely uncontested and obviously, the LBs were flat bad in every point in the game.
This post was edited on 9/5/22 at 8:19 pm
Posted by iBack8569
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:19 pm to
quote:

You have no idea what his reads were


Neither did he. Daniels either tucked and ran, or hung receivers out to dry, if he managed to hit them at all. Nussmeier should have been given a chance for comparison’s sake.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71730 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:20 pm to
There never was any pocket

And my issue is bozos throwing these cliches out when you don’t know what’s being coached or what he’s seeing or even the all 22 to see what is actually open
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
17553 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:21 pm to
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Special Teams - F 


That's being too kind. I'd give them an NS for no show.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:22 pm to
I'm not sure why people keep saying FSU played prevent. They didn't play prevent, they switched to man and started cutting through their defense like butter. It all changed as soon as they went to tempo offense he was a totally different player.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:25 pm to
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Never stepped into the pocket.



Posted by Bayou
CenLA
Member since Feb 2005
36813 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:25 pm to
It's Game ONE of a new era
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38231 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:29 pm to
Just watched a play where Frazier takes on the 1 tech and Will comes in to double team then get up to the second level. Instead of hitting the DT, Will hits Frazier, knocks him off the 1 tech, and the 1 tech makes the tackle.

OL is BAAAAAD.


Kole Taylor's play encapsulated the word "offensive" as well. He shouldn't see the field. I don't know why at this point they should even try to use a TE in a traditional sense.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:32 pm to
Yeah, the TEs were bad what I've saw on the field. I only gave it that grade because Mason is an obvious receiving threat. They may be better putting a lineman at TE for blocking situations or a 6 man line. It will be obvious and giving away what they're doing most times, but you have 0 blocking from the TEs right now.

They should've targeted Mason Taylor more in this game due to the poor line play.
Posted by IMJ127
Death Valley
Member since Jul 2011
3337 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:41 pm to
quote:

His final drive was dropping it off underneath and running. He wasn't bad but his refusal to go through his reads and his inaccuracy were on full display.


Man stfu. I just rewatched every single Daniels play. He was very accurate. Placed the ball very well. I watched his head and feet go through progressions every time he had a chance. Those progressions ended in completions. His pocket presence is actually pretty good too.

I challenge you dumbasses who post this shite to go to ESPN and pull the exact plays you're criticizing. Put your evidence on display.
Posted by IMJ127
Death Valley
Member since Jul 2011
3337 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:43 pm to
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Go watch. He rarely made it thru his first read and then he’d run. Never stepped into the pocket.


LMAO, most of his scrambles were exactly when he needed to escape. You are fricking clueless.

Daniels is fricking legit. He'll be excellent for us when we mature.
Posted by how333
Member since Dec 2020
2582 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:44 pm to
Daniel’s played well? You’re joking right. 10 yard average on completed passes. Longest completion 22 yards. We will sink with him at QB. One look, tuck and run. Downvote away. But that’s reality.
Posted by Zachinrhodeisland
Rhode Island
Member since Sep 2022
109 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:48 pm to
So what do you suggest with the pocket collapsing? Run through the progression and take the sack? It’s also week one in a new offense.
Posted by vidtiger23
Member since Feb 2012
4773 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:48 pm to
quote:

His final drive was dropping it off underneath and running. He wasn't bad but his refusal to go through his reads and his inaccuracy were on full display.

Inaccuracy? Idk maybe we just watched the games in a different light, but I didn’t end the game thinking Daniels was at all inaccurate. The kid threw some strikes. Now going through reads I agree needs to be better. Although the calls in Offense didn’t help with that in the first half.
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