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Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:18 pm to Random LSU Hero
quote:why not just make it 38. Whatever folks want the narrative to be, it is.
defending Canada’s production but I know that he wanted to run more tempo but couldn’t because of the skinny numbers on both lines. I think tempo could have generated 3 to 5 more points per game on average and kickers missed a shite load of kicks. So let’s say we average 7 more points a game which isn’t outlandish... that’s 35 ppg
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:19 pm to ChEgrad
quote:yards per game were down
Points per game is a meaningless way to evaluate an offense. Also need to know field position
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:21 pm to Tigerdev
Yeah, agreed, and both comparisons show a very slight drop off from 2016. I just don't think you can point to 2015 as a good example to shoot for. That's a team that scored less than 20 points in each of its last 4 SEC games in November, ultimately going 5-3 in conference play.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:24 pm to Tigerdev
quote:we played the worst defenses we will see in the SEC this year. It ain’t going to get any easier.
might be. But I think if you consider the context of the last three years, where our head coach was fired due to the anemic offense...It is relevant to compare relative stats.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:25 pm to Doc Fenton
quote:Yep...The offense is overall better this year by the eye ball test against decent teams...but not by enough (yet) to justify firing Miles for O. We are seeing a very disturbing trend in recruiting in comparison. But like I said. It's early.
That's a team that scored less than 20 points in each of its last 4 SEC games in November, ultimately going 5-3 in conference play.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:36 pm to tigerfoot
quote:
yards per game were down
What about points per possession? That accounts for deliberately eating clock to shorten the game.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:40 pm to nola000
quote:
Canadas offense put up much better numbers against strong opponents.
State, Troy, bama, Nope. UF, not really.
Try again.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:44 pm to ChEgrad
quote:
Also need to know field position and turnovers.
bullshite! Field position? You think that doesn’t average out over the course of the year? And turnovers? WTF? Turnovers are part of the game. You earn turnovers.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:56 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:frick if I know. I don’t care.
What about points per possession?
When people see a bad offense on a big stage they say, “they look like LSU”. No one in the crowd replies with a stat on third and 7 or more while on the road, against Ranked opponents, in October, after a bye.
Our offense couldn’t win us a game against Bama, OU, Clemson or Georgia. Not one. That hasn’t changed in four years.
The SEC was a shell of its self this year. We got a pass.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:36 pm to emanresu
i can't believe you're including 2016. stupid
the last 6 games of
2013, avg 28.5 with 2 losses and one win against furman
2015, avg 24.8 with 3 losses and one win against w. ky
2017, avg 30.8 with only 1 loss and no ooc creampuffs
the trend is what i am most interested in and there is no question this offense is trending up. miles, not so much
the last 6 games of
2013, avg 28.5 with 2 losses and one win against furman
2015, avg 24.8 with 3 losses and one win against w. ky
2017, avg 30.8 with only 1 loss and no ooc creampuffs
the trend is what i am most interested in and there is no question this offense is trending up. miles, not so much
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:40 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:go look at the stats i posted. it's not what you think
Go look at the defensive numbers of our opponents since October of last year
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:43 pm to Tigerdev
quote:that's just it. people aren't taking into consideration the context. we had a freakin coaching change and miles left behind some serious deficiencies. those things matter in real life and they affect the outcome of games. nevertheless, o persevered and put together a late run that miles pretty much never did. why can't people give him credit for that? i didn't like the o hire but i can at least give him credit for trending upward
But I think if you consider the context of the last three years, where our head coach was fired due to the anemic offense...It is relevant to compare relative stats
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:46 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
but not by enough (yet) to justify firing Miles for O
getting rid of miles was overdue. that wasn't the problem. the problem was not landing a top flight coach. even so, it could turn out that o is great. again, the trend is encouraging. i'm most curious about 2019. next season we're breaking in a new qb and have a really tough schedule.Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:57 pm to bfniii
That Miles never did? Miles won 2 SEC championships and a Natty and played in two. Won 10 games in more years than not. Slow down.
O averted the disaster that was heading our way after Troy with a good turn around. But if you look at the season as a whole... With the blowout loss to MSU and Troy manhandling us with 2 star athletes... You would be crazy to think O is an upgrade over Miles at this point.
O averted the disaster that was heading our way after Troy with a good turn around. But if you look at the season as a whole... With the blowout loss to MSU and Troy manhandling us with 2 star athletes... You would be crazy to think O is an upgrade over Miles at this point.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:58 pm to bfniii
That Miles never did? Miles won 2 SEC championships and a Natty and played in two. Won 10 games in more years than not. Slow down.
O averted the disaster that was heading our way after Troy with a good turn around. But if you look at the season as a whole... With the blowout loss to MSU and Troy manhandling us with 2 star athletes... You would be crazy to think O is an upgrade over Miles at this point.
O averted the disaster that was heading our way after Troy with a good turn around. But if you look at the season as a whole... With the blowout loss to MSU and Troy manhandling us with 2 star athletes... You would be crazy to think O is an upgrade over Miles at this point.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:05 pm to emanresu
Funny thing is it has been going down despite the competition level getting worse each year.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:21 pm to Tigerdev
i never said o was an upgrade. but it is a fact that miles was trending downward and at the moment o is trending upward. people just don't want to admit that because they're still chapped about fisher/herman
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:37 pm to bfniii
quote:Correct. Fact.
but it is a fact that miles was trending downward
quote:Ehh. Slow down. Yes, he turned things around this season. But he also brought us to a low we haven't experienced in a very long time. He exceeded expectations that were brought low by his own performance.
and at the moment o is trending upward
quote:Unfair. I watch every game with my entire family and best friends every Saturday. I want more than anything for Orgeron to lead us to the promised land. I just am not convinced that we have the right coaching staff in place to compete in the SEC West for a title. I WANT to be wrong. I'll be dancing in my own crow if I'm wrong dude.
people just don't want to admit that because they're still chapped about fisher/herman
Geaux Tigers.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:21 am to Tigerdev
quote:then you agree with me that he's trending upward. got it.
Yes, he turned things around this season
quote:you say "he" as if he was responsible for the o line situation, the qb situation, the new o.c., etc. miles had A LOT of responsibility on those matters. that's the point i'm trying to make - context. these things happen when there is a coaching change. even so, o ended up with a very respectable season in the toughest division of cfb. pretty good for a shrimp boat captain
But he also brought us to a low we haven't experienced in a very long time
quote:gobbledygook, fan-speak
He exceeded expectations that were brought low by his own performance.
quote:that's a TOTALLY different issue than giving o credit for handling a situation pretty well
I just am not convinced that we have the right coaching staff in place to compete in the SEC West for a title
quote:the op wasn't about the future. it was about the present and at present, o is trending upward. fact. people are criticizing him for troy without giving him credit for getting it turned around.
if I'm wrong dude
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