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re: Point Per Yard - The New Statistic No One Wants You To See (Updated)

Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:49 pm to
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:49 pm to
this stat is worthless.

it's just yards divided by points.

a real indicator stat would be a percentage for each drive of yards gained on each drive vs the yards available to be gained.

that breakdown would demonstrate your point about defenses creating a short field. points per yard in no way does that.

i.e. lsu has gained 4148 yards/ the sum of the yards to available for each drive of the season.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 10:56 pm
Posted by TigerFan55555
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:52 pm to


jk...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:55 pm to
quote:

a real indicator stat would be a percentage for each drive of yards gained on each drive vs the yards available to be gained

i agree
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:58 pm to
quote:

that breakdown would demonstrate your point about defenses creating a short field

But it would not account for how well teams convert opportunities, whether created on a long drive by the offense or a short field by the defense/special teams, into points and specifically touchdowns.

ETA: I do like it, I don't think either stat is worthless.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 11:01 pm
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

But it would not account for how well teams convert opportunities, whether created on a long drive by the offense or a short field by the defense/special teams, into points and specifically touchdowns.


that is a separate indicator altogether. the question is first whether or not LSU is playing on a short field, and whether that is affecting their yardage totals.

so first you start with yardage vs yardage available.
you'd could then build in a coefficient and statistical bonuses for points, touchdown vs field goal to get an overall ranking of offense.
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:03 pm to
quote:

ETA: I do like it, I don't think either stat is worthless.


but the stat IS worthless. It's most closely related to an efficiency stat. But efficiency is measured in plays or time, not yards.

so a real efficiency would be points per time of possession or number of plays, which could measure how quickly and efficiently an offense scores.
Posted by LSUTigahBait
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:33 pm to
quote:

but the stat IS worthless. It's most closely related to an efficiency stat. But efficiency is measured in plays or time, not yards. so a real efficiency would be points per time of possession or number of plays, which could measure how quickly and efficiently an offense scores.


The stat is not worthless. The point was to show that based on the available starting position, no matter where it is on the field, the team can convert points. By combining the defensive effort of field position, it averages each teams ability to score points over the yards available.

Efficiency cannot necessarily be calculated using TOP as shown earlier. While it does show the number of points scored with a relevant control of time, you can assume that efficiency means a short scoring drive. If a teams goal is to wind the clock down, like LSU, then running the ball for 8 yards a clip is more efficient then slinging it 80 yards in 1 minute. That's why by taking out relevant factors of efficiency and basing the stat on touchdowns and field goals, you can look at how many yards it takes to score a point and get a pretty decent idea of how teams stack up offensively
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:38 pm to
It may not make logical sense, but nearly every stat in football, especially efficiency stats, use yards as part of the formula. This one is no different, and like other stats it isn't a total indicator of anything. I use it as part of my capping in conjunction with plays and yards per play.
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:41 pm to
quote:

By combining the defensive effort of field position, it averages each teams ability to score points over the yards available.


your stat in no way indicates field position. because it doesn't account for special teams, advancement of turnovers. defensive yards are not a good counterbalance because there is not a finite amount of yards per game.

i'm sorry. it's good in theory, but seriously flawed.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 11:43 pm
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:33 am to
nice
Posted by Filtiger
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 2:01 am to
Thanks for this. Great work. This is the best set of stats I've seen posted here except for this one. LSU is 11-0

Posted by LSUNO
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Posted on 11/30/11 at 9:58 pm to
Bump.
Update and post on sec and/or dawg rant.
Posted by Flower Mound Tiger
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Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:03 pm to
Awesome!
Posted by Guava Jelly
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Posted on 12/1/11 at 11:53 am to
Bumpy
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