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Play calling set up to win
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:41 pm
First time posting.I'm not here to bash players/coaches. I think they play/coach as hard as anyone in the country. Just watched the recording. I only watched until the 3rd quarter, pretty useless after that.
As much as yall want to bash Miles/ Cameron staff here's the actual facts from the game. Miles/Cameron called the first half perfectly, in my opinion. They mixed shotgun and Iformation/1 back sets a pretty good bit.
I formation/1 backsets they ran 7 times for 19 yards(8 of that coming from qb scramble) and we're 1/2 passing. Versus shotgun ran 5 times for 28 yards(20 of that coming from read option). 2/7 passing with a touchdown and sack.
Can't really argue, thats pretty balanced as far as play calling the first half. Only 2 bad plays. Brandon I thought missed fournette earlier in the 2ND pos. If they connect on that,who know what comes of that drive. With Gamble kicking the ball out bounds, 10 extra yards would have pushed them out of field goal range. Would have been tied ballgame. The 1st half they had 1 guy covering fournette on passing plays. Really think the screens would have been blown up if they tried. The main problem with the offensive line was our tackles not getting much of push on the outside to spring fournette.
3 quarter they mixed it up a little throwing pistol set in twice.2 plays- For 1 run of a yard/1 interception. I formation/1 backset they were 2 runs for 0 yards and 0/1 passing and a sack. Shotgun was 2 runs for 3 yards and 2/5 for 17 yards, For 13 plays
Say/spin this how you want, but miles set the game plan to be a close, hard game. Which we win more times than not. If we don't throw an interception starting the 3rd quarter or gamble doesn't kick the ball out bounds and spot them 10 points.
I Think the game falls more on the players not making the plays more than coaching/play calling.
Some of yall really need to get a grip and stop bashing the coaches play calling. You know, I think they might know a little more than we do
. We still have an heck of a team and still have alot to play for. I'm damn proud of Lsu. Here's to us winning out!
As much as yall want to bash Miles/ Cameron staff here's the actual facts from the game. Miles/Cameron called the first half perfectly, in my opinion. They mixed shotgun and Iformation/1 back sets a pretty good bit.
I formation/1 backsets they ran 7 times for 19 yards(8 of that coming from qb scramble) and we're 1/2 passing. Versus shotgun ran 5 times for 28 yards(20 of that coming from read option). 2/7 passing with a touchdown and sack.
Can't really argue, thats pretty balanced as far as play calling the first half. Only 2 bad plays. Brandon I thought missed fournette earlier in the 2ND pos. If they connect on that,who know what comes of that drive. With Gamble kicking the ball out bounds, 10 extra yards would have pushed them out of field goal range. Would have been tied ballgame. The 1st half they had 1 guy covering fournette on passing plays. Really think the screens would have been blown up if they tried. The main problem with the offensive line was our tackles not getting much of push on the outside to spring fournette.
3 quarter they mixed it up a little throwing pistol set in twice.2 plays- For 1 run of a yard/1 interception. I formation/1 backset they were 2 runs for 0 yards and 0/1 passing and a sack. Shotgun was 2 runs for 3 yards and 2/5 for 17 yards, For 13 plays
Say/spin this how you want, but miles set the game plan to be a close, hard game. Which we win more times than not. If we don't throw an interception starting the 3rd quarter or gamble doesn't kick the ball out bounds and spot them 10 points.
I Think the game falls more on the players not making the plays more than coaching/play calling.
Some of yall really need to get a grip and stop bashing the coaches play calling. You know, I think they might know a little more than we do
. We still have an heck of a team and still have alot to play for. I'm damn proud of Lsu. Here's to us winning out!
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:45 pm to Lesgeauxsmiles
Not the balance of run to pass being the problem but the actual plays themselves. Runs up the middle, no intermittent passes? That is what the problem is.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:47 pm to Lesgeauxsmiles
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I Think the game falls more on the players not making the plays more than coaching/play calling.
I'm going to go ahead an agree with you.
If the rantards would actually look at the play breakdown they wouldn't keep saying we run, run, pass, punt.
As a matter of fact we had 11 pass calls to 6 run plays in the second half until we recovered the fumble and ran 4 times with Fournette which resulted in a TD.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:51 pm to MrSpock
after watching the replay, I agree, and we could have used Gordon
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:56 pm to Louis58
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Not the balance of run to pass being the problem but the actual plays themselves. Runs up the middle, no intermittent passes? That is what the problem is.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:57 pm to Louis58
There was no where to run. Bama's end played perfectly.
Never took their selves out of the play.
As far as short intermediate passes. We only had 3 deep balls out of all those plays. 1 for a touchdown 1 pass interference. 1 to dural in double coverage
Never took their selves out of the play.
As far as short intermediate passes. We only had 3 deep balls out of all those plays. 1 for a touchdown 1 pass interference. 1 to dural in double coverage
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:00 pm to Lesgeauxsmiles
Good points. Biggest issue is that BH does not instill confidence with his short passing game. That is why we see no screens and next to nothing on slants. Once he gets that down the offense will become divers. He is much better than Jennings and has made good strides. But he still has his struggles. Patience folks ....patience.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:26 am to Canwoodtiger
Game was lost in the seconds before halftime and the INT after
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:39 am to Lesgeauxsmiles
I was looking for more throws to tight ends, throws in the backfield, things like that. Not simply formations and run/pass balance.
I haven't seen the professional game film to comment on whether there were intermediate people open that he just wasn't throwing to, but there had to be some kind of way to complete the ball to someone for positive yardage more than 6 times. Bama isn't that unbelievably good.
I haven't seen the professional game film to comment on whether there were intermediate people open that he just wasn't throwing to, but there had to be some kind of way to complete the ball to someone for positive yardage more than 6 times. Bama isn't that unbelievably good.
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 12:41 am
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:45 am to Lesgeauxsmiles
It just seems that the plays and formations themselves are predictable and stale. Seems like there's little attempt to spread the defense and get mismatches and guys in space. Of course I'm not a coach and I could be wrong. But I do know that year after year, regardless of player personnel, the LSU offense sputters against Bama. Every single year. So something is not working.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:50 am to biglego
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year after year, regardless of player personnel, the LSU offense sputters against Bama.
This year was particularly bad with 182 total yards.
2014 - 259
2013 - 284
2012 - 435
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:52 am to BayouBlogger
2013 was embarrassing considering NFL players were at the skill positions.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:21 am to biglego
I'm just guessing here. This is only a guess. But I'm sure les and his staff probably knows the team's weakness and strengths better than than anyone else.
But, obviously what we do quite well is run the ball. Let me add we've done it to everybody on our schedule thus far. Rather it's from under center or shotgun. Bama is one team and miles and company set the game to win. It's not going to be pretty but it's a proven method to beat them.
Half of our plays were PASSES..but according to the rant, they are the wrong passes. We were practically tied at half. If we don't throw an interception starting the 3rd quarter and then proceed to start every possession inside our own 15..I'm pretty sure its a different game.
All I'm saying is that the game plan was there. It hard to see that, with the final score was what was
Miles didn't overthrow fournette
Miles didn't throw a pick to start 3rd quarter
Miles didn't kick the ball out of bounds
Miles/Cameron did what they thought would win, they had a great game plan.
Players play and coaches coach. We have great players and coaches. The players have to sometimes put it on their shoulders and make the plays
But, obviously what we do quite well is run the ball. Let me add we've done it to everybody on our schedule thus far. Rather it's from under center or shotgun. Bama is one team and miles and company set the game to win. It's not going to be pretty but it's a proven method to beat them.
Half of our plays were PASSES..but according to the rant, they are the wrong passes. We were practically tied at half. If we don't throw an interception starting the 3rd quarter and then proceed to start every possession inside our own 15..I'm pretty sure its a different game.
All I'm saying is that the game plan was there. It hard to see that, with the final score was what was
Miles didn't overthrow fournette
Miles didn't throw a pick to start 3rd quarter
Miles didn't kick the ball out of bounds
Miles/Cameron did what they thought would win, they had a great game plan.
Players play and coaches coach. We have great players and coaches. The players have to sometimes put it on their shoulders and make the plays
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:54 am to BayouBlogger
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I was looking for more throws to tight ends, throws in the backfield, things like that. Not simply formations and run/pass balance.
2 passes to LF that were bad passes. 1 dropped ball by the Te and one thrown in the direction of the te and was intercepted. That's just 4 plays off the top of my head. A lot considering how little plays were ran.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 2:06 am to Lesgeauxsmiles
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The main problem with the offensive line was our tackles not getting much of push on the outside to spring fournette.
Push? Dude, did you even watch LSU on offense? The entire oline spent most of the night face down on the turf.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 2:51 am to biglego
I agree 2013 was more embarassing. I was more disappointed in the defensive play calling especially on 3rd down. They seemed to eat us up with the wr mid screen. I seem to recall at least 3 times with 3rd and 7 to 9 yards where they ran this and we couldn't stop it. A few was missed tackles, but with the down and distance you would think another player could make a tackle before making the marker.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 4:51 am to biglego
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But I do know that year after year, regardless of player personnel, the LSU offense sputters against Bama. Every single year. So something is not working
For the most part, this is true. We did have success 2012. For the most part though it appears they are ready for anything we throw at them the last three years. We need to open up the offense and quit calling the game not to lose.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 6:27 am to Lesgeauxsmiles
Let's see....
1. Half-back pass from Fournette
2. Jet sweep
3. Screen pass
I'll take either of those 3 plays just 1 time. Play calling was vanilla at best. Trickeration was not in Miles vocabulary for 'Bama. Very sad.....
1. Half-back pass from Fournette
2. Jet sweep
3. Screen pass
I'll take either of those 3 plays just 1 time. Play calling was vanilla at best. Trickeration was not in Miles vocabulary for 'Bama. Very sad.....
Posted on 11/11/15 at 7:08 am to sjmabry
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Game was lost in the seconds before halftime and the INT after
That's bs there have been countless times qbs have thrown multiple interceptions with less left in the game and down by more points then we were and still managed to win. We refused to adapt therefore we lost.
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