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re: people, stop with the "backing into the ncg" garbage
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:33 pm to drizztiger
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:33 pm to drizztiger
quote:ok, here's how debates typically work. when someone makes a point and you blithely disagree, your response doesn't really have any meaning. it's like a child plugging his ears with his fingers and saying "i don't hear you". you aren't explaining HOW your point is validated. in fact, i specifically responded how it WASN'T validated. but you didn't address my point. you merely dismissed it.
No, it specifically validates my point.
quote:do you not see the verbal gymnastics you're going through to attempt to justify your point? here's something specific that will prove my point. define controlling your own destiny.
They allowed LSU to back in
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Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:35 pm to bfniii
OK, how bout this, any 1-loss team "backs in".
Florida in 2006 backed in (needing USC to lose). OSU backed in 07 (needing Oregon, Missouri, etc to lose). So did all the 1-loss teams.
This has happened ONE year. And if LSU had gone undefeated in 2007, no matter if any other teams went undefeated that year, the Tigers would have made it. So, no, they wouldn't have backed in then.
Can you at least admit this: LSU needed an EXTREME amount of luck to make the NCG.
Florida in 2006 backed in (needing USC to lose). OSU backed in 07 (needing Oregon, Missouri, etc to lose). So did all the 1-loss teams.
quote:
2. even when there is an undefeated team, they still need help in the form of s.o.s. case in point, auburn '04
This has happened ONE year. And if LSU had gone undefeated in 2007, no matter if any other teams went undefeated that year, the Tigers would have made it. So, no, they wouldn't have backed in then.
Can you at least admit this: LSU needed an EXTREME amount of luck to make the NCG.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:35 pm to drizztiger
quote:perhaps you missed this:
You dismissed the idea, for sure, but without any thought or explanation
1. any year when there are no undefeated teams, EVERYONE NEEDS HELP IN THE FORM OF OTHER TEAMS LOSING. therefore everyone backs in every year. therefore there is no such thing as backing in
2. even when there is an undefeated team, they still need help in the form of s.o.s. case in point, auburn '04
that is called substantiation. nothing in those statements is false. you might try to disagree with their relation to the conclusion, but you haven't shown anything like that so far other than mere dismissal or repetition of an already refuted point.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:36 pm to bfniii
quote:
bfniii
Please post more in this thread. I'm looking forward to how many different ways you can argue the same point.
You have managed to get 9 pages out of a basic disagreement over the term "backing in."
You have argued every nitpicking fricking detail to the point of submission. Holy shite! We get it already.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:38 pm to OFWHAP
Should we apologize for West Virginia and Missouri's luck that final weekend of the season? I am just grateful that they continue to let teams play the games and capture the luck. Such is life, as there will always be some dissenters.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:39 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
quote:how are you going to quantify luck? it's not about the NUMBER OF LOSSES. it's about the relationship to the other teams. in that regard, it is incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to quantify how much luck a team needs to get in.
Can you at least admit this: LSU needed an EXTREME amount of luck to make the NCG
this is quintessential rantard oversimplification. always trying to reduce the game down to one factor in an almost infinite sea of variables.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:40 pm to bfniii
quote:
lsu could afford to lose to ark based on their BODY OF WORK. we didn't know it at the time. there is no such thing as backing in.
I get it now, you don't believe in backing in, that's why you're acting so stupid. Explains a lot.
So actually seizing opportunity or controlling your own destiny have no meaning.
So when you applied at Burger King and failed miserably during your interview and the other applicant nailed his interview and was offered the drive thru teller position you both coveted, only to then fail his drug test, you didn't "back in" to your current job. Excellent.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:41 pm to bfniii
All I know is we were so good that we "backed in" and won the SOB!
Who cares how it was done. The system was put in place and followed and we ended up in the game.
The system considers the entire season. Not just 1/3, or one game,etc...
Kinda like golf. Major Championships are competed over 72 holes. Bogey the 71st and drop to second place, but then the guy in first bogeys the final hole and you jump him. You win.
You losers can call it whatever you want.
I call it a National Championship.
Who cares how it was done. The system was put in place and followed and we ended up in the game.
The system considers the entire season. Not just 1/3, or one game,etc...
Kinda like golf. Major Championships are competed over 72 holes. Bogey the 71st and drop to second place, but then the guy in first bogeys the final hole and you jump him. You win.
You losers can call it whatever you want.
I call it a National Championship.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:42 pm to LJBurton
quote:hey pal, if you don't want to read a discussion on a discussion board, then exercise your freedom to play in the freeway.
LJBurton
why is it when rantards continue to ignore points being made by reasonable fans, they get a pass? and why is it ONLY ME that's made 9 pages? as if i'm the only person here discussing the point.
i'll reiterate the question: someone define controlling your own destiny
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:42 pm to drizztiger
quote:
i've pointed out specifically how they absolutely are mutually exclusive.
I think the objection here might be the terminology.
Is this an acceptable wording.
In 2007 LSU was the best team - They deserved to be in the NC title game because of their resume and they proved that they were the best by thrashing Ohio State.
In 2007 LSU had to rely on, like many other teams who won titles (including 2003 lsu), BCS points, SOS, Capricious voters.
In 2007 we lost twice and were lucky that other teams lost in the same or next weekend and that helped us to go to the Title Game - this is part of how the College system is set up.
If this is referred to as "Backing in" then we are no different than many other teams because as recently as few years back Florida did the same in 2006 and 2008 when some other teams' lost to propel them into the NC game.
We are also unique in calling it backing in when none of the other fanbases do it.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:43 pm to drizztiger
quote:ok. i gave you several specific points that you apparently can't respond to. then i asked you to define controlling your own destiny which you haven't. when you want to grow up and respond to the points, let us know
that's why you're acting so stupid
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:44 pm to bfniii
quote:You speak of which you do not know.
ok, here's how debates typically work.
quote:Nope. Here's your meaningless response quoted:
in fact, i specifically responded how it WASN'T validated.
quote:
you don't even realize what you're saying is a contradiction. backed in means you didn't deserve it. look at the definitions people are offering:
didn't take care of business
needed luck
had to have other teams lose
as if any of those mean anything
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:48 pm to drizztiger
quote:more meaningless posturing. here's the challenge again: prove that these points are either false or irrelevant
You speak of which you do not know.
1. any year when there are no undefeated teams, EVERYONE NEEDS HELP IN THE FORM OF OTHER TEAMS LOSING. therefore everyone backs in every year. therefore there is no such thing as backing in
2. even when there is an undefeated team, they still need help in the form of s.o.s. case in point, auburn '04
also, define controlling your own destiny
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:54 pm to bfniii
LSU was ranked #1 in the nation prior to Arkansas. Seizing that opportunity and then the opportunity in the SECCG is controlling your own destiny.
Failing at your opportunity and requiring others to fail also to achieve your goals is backing in. Many teams have done it, only LSU fans would worry about it so much.
Failing at your opportunity and requiring others to fail also to achieve your goals is backing in. Many teams have done it, only LSU fans would worry about it so much.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:55 pm to bfniii
quote:
how are you going to quantify luck? it's not about the NUMBER OF LOSSES. it's about the relationship to the other teams.
OK. Talking about the "relationship to the other teams": The top 10 in 2007 was VERY weak. If it was as strong as it was any other year, then there would be more than 1 BCS conference Champ with one loss or less. See ANY OTHER YEAR IN THE BCS ERA.
If it was strong at the top, USC wouldn't have lost to Stanford, West Va wouldn't have lost to Pitt, OU wouldn't have lost to Texas Tech, Oregon wouldn't have lost to Zona, (a lot of this had to do with Dixon's absence... which you could argue was also luck for LSU), LSU wouldn't have lost to UK, OSU wouldn't have lost to Illinois, etc.
Because the rest of the top teams were weak, it allowed a weak #2 (LSU, with two losses) to go to the NCG. It's pretty simple to understand.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:02 pm to bfniii
quote:
and why is it ONLY ME that's made 9 pages? as if i'm the only person here discussing the point.
Because you are clearly the one who has run this thread into the ground. I'm just amazed at what a self-righteous know it all turd you are. Clearly people have made some pretty reasonable statements in this thread, but you won't concede a fricking inch. The '07 team lost 2 regular season games. They are the only team in CFB history to lose 2 games and still win a NC. This is a fact that not even you can argue. By virtue of them losing 2 games, they, therefore, had to rely more on the fortune of others than any other NC team in history. This is also a fact that you cannot refute. Some choose to call this "backing in." Either way it's a NC for LSU. What's the BFD?
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:15 am to Buckeye Fan 19
I don't care how good you are, you better have some luck.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 5:55 am to LSUsmartass
All you people who list Pitt, TCU etc. as your teams. Question: Why the hell do you worry about the record of LSU
Posted on 12/22/09 at 6:36 am to bfniii
I wont say that bama backed in (bought refs) but I do remember hearing "beep, beep, beep" every time they played this year. For awhile I thought it was their fight song.
This post was edited on 12/22/09 at 6:39 am
Posted on 12/22/09 at 6:38 am to fjhjr08
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